Welcome to European Tribune. It's gone a bit quiet around here these days, but it's still going.
Display:
You keep talking about a college-level liberal arts education, but the issue is that people (even the college-bound) come out of secondary education functionally illiterate.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jan 25th, 2014 at 10:38:36 AM EST
[ Parent ]
True enough.

I'm speaking to what I know.

And, honestly I think that this is the way that secondary education is designed in the US.

You use the term "functionally illiterate," but I think that we have to be very careful here.  If that phrase is to have any meaning, it has to be connected to some sort of expectation of what students should know. And, the expectation seems to be a very basic level of knowledge.

Part of the problem is that I think there is a tendency to want to have a very broad (in subject terms), but not very deep education at the secondary level.  If you really want to know what the standard are for high school education, look here.

This is one state, but is probably pretty typical. Even this is misleading, because students think know that all they really have to do is memorize.  Most high school tests are multiple choice, and that form doesn't give itself to asking questions that actually answer whether a student understands material.

And, in the end.  Students just don't care, because it's not like there are consequences for being a defiant little bastard and just refusing to do any sort of homework.  If schools try to enforce standards, wealthy parents will just revolt.  

It may be that this is the problem.  Schools aren't expected to enforce standards, and there's pushback if they try to do so. So students grow up in an environment where there are few, if any, expectations.

The very idea of public education, that the State should be determining what your children learn is somehow suspect.  So you get charters, etc....  Which promise to improve the situation, but make it worse.

And now I am being entirely jaded.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Sat Jan 25th, 2014 at 11:19:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]
For definiteness, I call "functionally illiterate" to be unable to meet the following standard which has nothing to do with "knowledge" or even "information" or "trivia"
ACT WorkKeys includes twelve workplace skill assessments:

  • Applied Mathematics - applying mathematical reasoning to work-related problems
The dreaded "word problems" in mathematics classes.

  • Applied Technology - understanding technical principles as they apply to the workplace
  • Business Writing - composing clear, well-developed messages relating to on-the-job situations
  • What, no powerpoint?

  • Listening - being able to listen to and understand work-related messages
  • Locating Information - using information from sources such as diagrams, floor plans, tables, forms, graphs, and charts
  • Workplace Observation - paying attention to details in instructions and demonstrations
  • Reading for Information - comprehending work-related reading materials such as memos, bulletins, policy manuals, and governmental regulations
  • What, no powerpoint?

  • Teamwork - choosing behavior that furthers workplace relationships and accomplishes work tasks
  • Writing - measures the skills individuals use when they write messages that relay workplace information between people
  • What, no powerpoint?

  • Performance - related to attitudes toward work and the person's tendency to engage in unsafe work behaviors
  • Talent - includes dependability, assertiveness, and emotional stability
  • Fit - how interests and values correspond to a particular career


  • A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
    by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jan 25th, 2014 at 11:24:22 AM EST
    [ Parent ]
    </snark>

    Power Point is a tool for presenting all of the desired understandings, not a substitute for knowing how to organize one's thoughts. Without the former Power Point just becomes another meaningless computer skill.

    "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

    by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat Jan 25th, 2014 at 11:58:26 AM EST
    [ Parent ]
    Don't dis making slide decks before you've had to make one to present a multi-million dollar business case...

    It actually is an acquired skill, and one that, like concision and intelligibility, is not well respected in academia. Presumably because it is believed that there is a tradeoff between precision and concision and between correctness and intelligibility. Which is not as false as some consultants would have you believe... but not as true as some professors hold either.

    - Jake

    Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

    by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sat Jan 25th, 2014 at 12:28:16 PM EST
    [ Parent ]
    I suspect that, to a large portion of the US population, education consists of memorization and regurgitation. Worse, I have known too many adults who related school experiences of having been accused of lying when the answer to a question 'just came to them'. To authoritarians the answers come from the top of the hierarchy - often from God by scripture or direct revelation in the distant past. The result is that perhaps the majority of students learn not to trust themselves to be able to arrive at an answer on their own by just having the answer just come to them. Such people are, effectively, mentally paralyzed. To authoritarians and sociopaths this is a feature, not a bug and that is part of why such functional paralysis is as common as it is.

    "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
    by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat Jan 25th, 2014 at 12:40:21 PM EST
    [ Parent ]
    They come out inadequately educated (functionally illiterate is probably a bit strong) because they were overwhelmed. Unrealistic goals don't help. Challenges are good; asking the impossible is not. If you set expectations a lot beyond an individual's limit, results will drop.

    Giving everybody a college education is not a realistic goal. You need to divide those who can realistically go to college from those who cannot and school them in a different way.

    by oliver on Tue Jan 28th, 2014 at 02:09:08 PM EST
    [ Parent ]

    Display:

    Occasional Series