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Absolutely agreed. The latrst corruption cases announced today will probably strenghten Podemos. If Podemos polls within 5 points of PP/PSOE, Brussels will shit kittens. Also the same collapse of the center seen in Spain is probable in the uk with ukip too.  Some writing is in order.


And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg
by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Tue Oct 28th, 2014 at 12:24:03 AM EST
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If Podemos polls within 5 points of PP/PSOE, Brussels will shit kittens.
You mean within 5 points of either or within 5 points of the sum of the two?

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Oct 28th, 2014 at 03:06:27 AM EST
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Of either. Sum PSOE PP and you see that in Spain as a whole you get the two with only half the vote.  If Podemos bleeds PSOE and Cs+UPyD bleed PP. That only gets worse.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg
by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Tue Oct 28th, 2014 at 11:16:06 AM EST
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Well, since Podemos is within 5% of being in first place nationally, Brussels should be shitting kittens already.

The poll above gives PP + PSOE 52% and PSOE + Podemos + IU 53%. But this is vote percentages and the Spanish electoral system is highly non-proportional. Nevertheless, it looks almost certain that PP + PSOE will get less than 50% of the vote in next year's general election, and there is a fair chance that Podemos will get the most votes.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Oct 28th, 2014 at 11:43:07 AM EST
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Is the Podemos team strong and focused enough to avoid fizzling out like new parties elsewhere in Europe?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Oct 28th, 2014 at 03:36:01 PM EST
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We don't know, but they polled more strongly in their debut election (last May's European election) than, for instance, any of the Pirate parties. And they have momentum right now.

I should point out that the leading team, Iglesias, Monedero and especially Errejón are very politically savvy.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Oct 28th, 2014 at 08:10:01 PM EST
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I wish I had a better idea of what the actual operation of the "circles" looked like, but I get the impression that the leadership team is solid.  That they've been able to translate indignation into actual political action is a sign that they are better organized than Occupy.  

In the US, Occupy took a very anti-politics turn very quickly, which is a problem if you want actual change. The problem was that the consensus model empowered the crazies, because it essentially meant that whoever could drag out a meeting the longest won. That doesn't bode well for a movement predicated on mass participation, because they masses have other commitments, like a job.

I have hopes for Podemos, if nothing else than that some success might provide a model for a new populist Left in the developed world. Occupy ended up as a simulacra of the indignados, because the whole show was initiated by an ad agency, but perhaps Spain can teach the world how to convert indignation into political action if Podemos can succeed.  

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Wed Oct 29th, 2014 at 12:51:32 PM EST
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Get some grant money and come over to study it :D

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Oct 29th, 2014 at 01:27:01 PM EST
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I'm not going to even be able to finish my phd so that wont be happening.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg
by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Wed Oct 29th, 2014 at 02:09:14 PM EST
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Spain's state opinion polling institute is about to release an electoral barometer putting Podemos in first place in direct voter intent.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Oct 29th, 2014 at 04:09:45 PM EST
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