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There is no Caesarean solution in Catalonia. Are you suggesting the formation of a single-issue independentist majority in Catalonia will cause a coup in Spain?

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Oct 21st, 2014 at 09:45:17 AM EST
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No.  I'n suggesting that if the status quo is untenable. Please explain to me how to form a viable coalition from the seat totals that recent polling suggests.

The balance of politics in Catalonia is to the Left, but there's a cleavage between the nationalist left (for whom independence is the issue) and the economic left (for whom austerity is). The problem is that you have parties (ERC) who have managed to seize upon independence as a solution to austerity.  

With the ERC running the show, the probability of a unilateral declaration of independence by the Catalan regional government becomes a possibility.  If Podemos signs up for this, it becomes a much stronger one.

How do you think Madrid will respond if that happens?

I'm going to say that a solution involving the revocation of Catalan self government is in the cards if that happens.  

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Tue Oct 21st, 2014 at 10:06:41 AM EST
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A revocation of catalan self-government is not a "solution", it's just one more step in the escalation of the political crisis.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Oct 21st, 2014 at 10:27:01 AM EST
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Does Rajoy know that?

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg
by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Tue Oct 21st, 2014 at 10:53:18 AM EST
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And if he does, can he resist the demands of those in his party who don't?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Oct 21st, 2014 at 10:56:35 AM EST
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I'm not saying it's unlikely, I'm just saying it wouldn't be the last word.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Oct 21st, 2014 at 11:12:35 AM EST
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I worry that the last word won't be words.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg
by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Tue Oct 21st, 2014 at 04:15:10 PM EST
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And you say that sitting in the US midwest...

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Oct 21st, 2014 at 07:00:59 PM EST
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True enough. I'm an outside observer, but if this thing goes sideways the consequences will run way beyond Spain.

Suspending the regional government, let alone arrestjng elected officials.  I just don't see it going over well on the world stage.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Tue Oct 21st, 2014 at 07:36:18 PM EST
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It would probably be with clear legal cause.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Oct 21st, 2014 at 07:51:38 PM EST
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So, can I crash in your couch if it blows up? I'm not staying for the fireworks once they are scheduled.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Oct 21st, 2014 at 07:52:40 PM EST
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We have an extra dog bed.


And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg
by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Wed Oct 22nd, 2014 at 12:42:47 AM EST
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Going well on the world stage? Of course it will.

Just see how ignored the whole issues regarding Hungarian democracy have been.

As long as it does not impact the financial elites or the construction of the EU utopia and the expansion of globalization, it is wholly acceptable.

by cagatacos on Wed Oct 22nd, 2014 at 04:15:01 AM EST
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Please explain to me how to form a viable coalition from the seat totals that recent polling suggests.
With these results

ERC     34
CiU     26
C's     18
PPC     17
PSC     15
Podemos 12
ICV     8
CUP     5

I see three more or less viable coalitions:

(Centre-Right)
CiU C PPC PSC           76 = 26 18 17 15
(Centre-Left)
ERC PSC Podemos ICV     69 = 34 15 12 8
(Catalanist)
ERC CiU ICV             68 = 34 26 8

And a bunch of arithmetically possible unnatural coalitions:

ERC C PSC Podemos       79 = 34 18 15 12
ERC CiU C               78 = 34 26 18
ERC PPC PSC Podemos     78 = 34 17 15 12
ERC CiU PPC             77 = 34 26 17
ERC CiU PSC             75 = 34 26 15
ERC C PSC ICV           75 = 34 18 15 8
ERC PPC PSC ICV         74 = 34 17 15 8
CiU C PPC Podemos       73 = 26 18 17 12
ERC CiU Podemos         72 = 34 26 12
ERC C PSC CUP           72 = 34 18 15 5
ERC C Podemos ICV       72 = 34 18 12 8
CiU C PSC ICV CUP       72 = 26 18 15 8 5
CiU PPC PSC ICV CUP     72 = 26 17 15 8 5
ERC PPC PSC CUP         71 = 34 17 15 5
ERC PPC Podemos ICV     71 = 34 17 12 8
CiU C PSC Podemos       71 = 26 18 15 12
CiU PPC PSC Podemos     71 = 26 17 15 12
C PPC PSC Podemos ICV   70 = 18 17 15 12 8
ERC C PPC               69 = 34 18 17
ERC C Podemos CUP       69 = 34 18 12 5
CiU C PPC ICV           69 = 26 18 17 8
CiU PPC Podemos ICV CUP 69 = 26 17 12 8 5
ERC PPC Podemos CUP     68 = 34 17 12 5

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Oct 21st, 2014 at 11:11:46 AM EST
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