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By the way, if atheist privilege to eliminate religiously informed ethics from the public sphere had prevailed, the movement for conscientous objection would probably have been too weak to be successful.
That's turning social reality on its head. It's evidence of religious privilege that conscientious objectors who claimed to be based on secular humanist principles would have been treated more harshly than those claiming religious principles. Possibly because the authoritarians administering military service were inclined to accord religious objections greater respect. That is religious privilege. Not a "failure of atheist privilege to prevail".

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Feb 4th, 2014 at 10:00:39 AM EST
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Yes; from the history given in the Wikipedia article, it started at a time atheism was practically illegal. What happened was that the religious privilege (granted to Mennonites and Quakers) was expanded to non-religious causes.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Feb 4th, 2014 at 03:25:14 PM EST
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The position of supporting conscientous objection crept into the mainstream churches too, at the same time. Mainstream churches havemilitary chaplains and so, and  at the same time they give support to conscientous objectors.

When my husband reached military age in the early Seventies he had to appear before a commission which decided if he had really a conscience and would be allowed to object, and he had to bring two testimonies from persons describing his pacifist conscience. Long hair was an argument against the existence of a conscience. The testimonies were by his local parson, where my husband was active in the community, and by his mother, a refugee who described that war was how as a child she had to walk from Pomerania to Schleswig-Holstein in the first months of 45, and that she had taught her children accordingly. My husband's conscience was immediately recognised after they had read these two documents.

by Katrin on Tue Feb 4th, 2014 at 04:28:59 PM EST
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