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People arrive at truths from all sorts of different angles. When a goal is clearly shared (e.g. preserving the environment), it's perfectly legitimate to form alliances with people or groups who have different motivations.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Fri Feb 7th, 2014 at 10:29:57 AM EST
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Couldn't you have said that earlier?
by Katrin on Fri Feb 7th, 2014 at 10:34:01 AM EST
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Let's see how you framed that question again :

You ally yourself to racists and Islamophobes in the case of veils and to fossil fuel interests in the case of the position of mainstream churches.

i.e. you had already answered the question for me : making the extraordinary assumption that I would vote against my convictions in order to spite the church!

Have you ever asked yourself if you aren't just plain wrong?

... and now you're channeling Cromwell! (joke)

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Fri Feb 7th, 2014 at 10:51:56 AM EST
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"When a goal is clearly shared"

Yeah, I guess. I just wanted to illustrate why religiously framed arguments can be received poorly among the non-religious.

(That's why "secular" arguments are preferred. Not because of some kind of religious intolerance, but simply because religiously framed arguments, by definition based on some personal beliefs, lose their cogency in eyes of people that do not share those beliefs.)

by ComradeFrana on Fri Feb 7th, 2014 at 01:29:40 PM EST
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Quite. There are still different motivations in every debate, religious and non-religious ones, and proposals may be essential for one group and unimportant but tolerable for the next. Or essential for one group, beyond the pale for another. This is why I focus on which underlying ethics and norms groups are driven by.
by Katrin on Fri Feb 7th, 2014 at 01:52:54 PM EST
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This is why I focus on which underlying ethics and norms groups are driven by.

Hmmm.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Feb 7th, 2014 at 03:23:55 PM EST
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