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In most normal organizations I am familiar with, members take turns chairing meetings, assembling agendas, taking minutes. When was the last time a Southern Baptist congregation took turns being the preacher man, universal priesthood notwithstanding?

The Southern Baptists are, at least the ones I am familiar with, structured around some variant of the local village elder who is held in absolute reverence. And who in turn unquestioningly swallows any old bullshit that his pet quacks peddle on mid-morning talk radio.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Fri Feb 7th, 2014 at 03:18:16 PM EST
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In most normal organizations I am familiar with, members take turns chairing meetings, assembling agendas, taking minutes.

Well, if "taking turns" can include time ranges in years and decades. Although there is no term limit for pastors, Southern Baptists can elect them off, and still do so at a relatively high rate, and firing liberal-minded pastors in droves was indeed a key measure in the fundamentalist takeover of the church. Even if that weren't the case, I think it matters a lot that congregations choose their own new pastors, thereby giving the fundamentalism grass-roots continuity. Perhaps even more importantly, the attendants of the annual assembly (which sets dogma and has some control on the Executive Committee, which would complete the hierarchy you mentioned) are elected annually from the congregation. The fundamentalist takeover used elected bodies and positions to grab appointed positions and re-write rules and doctrine (rigging the game in the same way as it happened in the simultaneous conservative takeovers of the Republican Party, the media and the federal government).

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Mon Feb 10th, 2014 at 05:52:48 AM EST
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"Dictators for life" also "take turns", strictly speaking.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Feb 10th, 2014 at 06:00:18 AM EST
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Voting isn't everything there is to democracy, though.

If you have a political culture where "that's what the commissar says" is considered a valid argument, then you have an authoritarian political culture. No matter how much you vote on who gets to be in the politburo.

Elective monarchy is still monarchy.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon Feb 10th, 2014 at 04:35:21 PM EST
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If you have a political culture where "that's what the commissar says" is considered a valid argument, then you have an authoritarian political culture.

Well then it's pretty widespread, the way followers act in most organisations. However, back to the specific example, the Southern Baptists are firing the commissar at a high rate and the conservative takeover from the 1970s forced the commissars to change what they say (or be fired), so that wasn't the result of an authoritarian political culture (but an authoritarian outlook using all the means of a democratic political culture).

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Wed Feb 12th, 2014 at 07:39:21 AM EST
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