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I reject your notion that I belonged to a "special interest group", but I am consistently arguing against a process of ghettoization or marginalisation. So far you have denied that groups are becoming excluded (or marginalised or ghettoised).

You're going to have to dig out quotes to that effect.

What I have pointed out, repeatedly, is that under freedom of religion, religious rhetoric cannot be a language of public reason. Because under freedom of religion, religious doctrine is not a valid standard of lawmaking or jurisprudence.

People who advance religious rhetoric in the public debate are therefore either erecting a ghetto around themselves wholly of their own making, or they are objecting against freedom of religion.

Neither is a wholesome and desirable way to influence the direction we want our society to take.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Fri Feb 7th, 2014 at 03:36:12 PM EST
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My own application of the above to a practical example: if a Christian group objects to GMOs on the basis that it violates God's monopoly on creation, then they can form one part of a coalition against GMO, but their argument is restricted to religionists of their own stripe, and thus it means nothing to other members of the anti-GMO coalition or to proponents, and won't be useful as basis for public debate. But, if this Christian group understands the logic of marching under one flag, I'm not sure this amounts to an objection against freedom of religion, though.

Is that how you see it too or are you more restrictive?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Mon Feb 10th, 2014 at 06:04:41 AM EST
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In principle, I find it troubling when a political faction mobilizes large numbers of adherents using their own parallel language. In the same way I find it troubling that well over two thirds of all Fortune 500 CEOs are McKinsey alumni, and five of the last five US Treasury Secretaries are Goldman alumni.

In practice, any successful change coalition needs to be a big tent, so as long as they don't start trying to boot people out of the big tent I'm not going to start trying to boot them out.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon Feb 10th, 2014 at 04:00:47 PM EST
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