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It meets Jake's demand of universality, too: you have the right to hurt my religious feelings, and I have the right to hurt your inexistent ones.

Well, yeah. Mockery, derision and public shaming and humiliation all have their place in the political arsenal. To believe otherwise is naive in the extreme.

You ask if people should be forced to listen to religious organisations. Why don't you ask if people should be forced to listen to anyone. Or you could have posed the question: should people be forced to listen to arguments from all corners, without prejudice. Why did you pose your question in the way you did?

Because bogus arguments (and in a society which practices freedom of religion, doctrinal political arguments are definitionally bogus) don't get to demand an equal hearing. Creationists should not get equal time to teach the (non-existent) controversy, Catholics should not get equal time to spew lies about condoms being ineffective, or abortions causing cancer. Public discourse does have some obligation to discriminate between what is likely and possible and what is puerile fantasy and fairie tales.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Fri Feb 7th, 2014 at 04:06:46 PM EST
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Creationists should not get equal time to teach the (non-existent) controversy, Catholics should not get equal time to spew lies about condoms being ineffective, or abortions causing cancer.

or pols telling us solar doesn't work, or that harvesting free energy from the wind is more expensive than getting it from nukes or gas or coal.

and if religious people help out in social issues they get kudos for that, and that alone, not because they scored brownie points with their religion for doing so and demand recognition more for that than the noble action itself, which needs no further justification than simple humanity.

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Feb 7th, 2014 at 05:38:00 PM EST
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