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This is offensive. I have never said anything like what you put into my mouth there. You make that up.

Sigh...

You used the word 'sectarian'. You also used words like 'privilege' and 'Stalinist.' It's in the archives.

If you don't want to people to quote your own words back to you, don't say this stuff. It's not rocket science.

You may not have noticed, but the welfare state is in danger. That might explain some obsession of the non-religious and the religious.

With the welfare state, yes. With gay marriage - huh? Are you saying people believe gay marriage will undermine free healthcare or their pension plan?

In Germany the Catholic Church has just commissioned a poll on sexual mores, and found out that its members find the official views on sex and partnership irrelevant. Detailed results are kept secret, though. I wouldn't be surprised if the attitudes in other European countries were the same, but I have no data for them. You obviously have, because you made the claim. Why don't you share your data?

There's a useful survey here: YouGov poll.

Generally members are more liberal than leaders, which is interesting in itself. Also:

The section of religious people most opposed to same-sex marriage is made up of those who both (a) believe in God with certainty and (b) make decisions primarily on the basis of explicit religious sources  - God, scriptures, teachings and religious leaders. This `moral minority' of strict believers amounts to almost 9% of the population, and is spread across religious traditions, with a greater concentration among Baptists and Muslims.

Although in practice I'd suggest this boils down to 'liberals are liberal, non-liberals aren't.'

Wasn't the point originally that religious attitudes tend to lag secular ones rather than lead them, and that if you embed religious attitudes in a secular culture they will eventually become less extreme? I do believe it was.

I have no idea what European-wide attitudes are. I doubt it's possible to generalise when - for example - Poland is staunchly Catholic, while Finland very much isn't.

I look forward to further responses that tell me I'm disgusting and full of shit, by the way. Have you considered that perhaps name-calling is not the most persuasive of tactics in this context?

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Feb 10th, 2014 at 02:22:55 PM EST
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