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One of the biggest issues in the west is that after three hundred years of secularism the political power of the churches has been substantially diminished.

but much of the social good churches do still goes on, re feeding the poor, rallying after tragedies etc.

good that their political power is in decline, as long as their value is acknowledged as much as any other form of do-goodership.

religion encapsulates our first fumbling attempts to comprehend our cosmos, and for some it still serves that purpose, not the medieval trivia of angels on pins but how to conceptualise eternity, infinity, the void and such, the inneffable, the unmeasureable.

while doing so it untapped great poetry, painting, sculpture and music, as it (however errantly) does look beyond the veils, both inside and outside ourselves.

to the rational materialist that might seem like time and energy wasted, (better spent seeking cancer cures or perpetual motion) but to the seeker this the opposite, seeking meaning in the often crushing banality of modern existence is the only thing that makes life bearable!

religion becomes problematic when it conflates with politics.

.... but state atheism has a equally ruthless track record.

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Feb 13th, 2014 at 12:03:45 PM EST
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not the medieval trivia of angels on pins

Sorry, but you seem to have fallen for an Enlightenment slander (like the belief that educated people used to believe in a flat earth). I once wondered what were the numbers that they suggested, but they seem only to have discussed whether they had corporeal bodies (and hence the number would have been finite), or whether not (in which case the number could be infinite).

Rather disappointingly, they seemed to think that the number being infinite settled it, where I was hoping they would try to work out the cardinality: for example, if they could argue (no idea how, but presumably from Scripture) that the angels all had names, taken from a finite alphabet, then the number would be recursively enumerable, but they didn't even go that far.

Physicists have come up with a different answer:

According to Thomas Aquinas, it is impossible for two distinct causes to each be the immediate cause of one and the same thing. An angel is a good example of such a cause. Thus two angels cannot occupy the same space. This can be seen as an early statement of the Pauli exclusion principle. (The Pauli exclusion principle is a pillar of modern physics. It was first stated in the twentieth century, by Pauli.)

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We have derived quantum gravity bounds on the number of angels that can dance on the tip of a needle as a function of the mass of the angels. The maximal number of angels -- 8.6766*10exp49 -- is achieved near the critical mass mcrit>1/kD �3.8807*10-34 kg, corresponding to the transition from the information-limited to the mass-limited regime. It is interesting to note that this is of the same order of magnitude as the Schewe bound.

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Thu Feb 13th, 2014 at 12:44:24 PM EST
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It is interesting to note that this is of the same order of magnitude as the Schewe bound.

Proof of the existence of God!!!

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Thu Feb 13th, 2014 at 01:41:54 PM EST
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