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Exactly. As usual Katrin simply has no answer to the empirically observable point that religious morality means whatever some group of followers want it to mean. If you want to hate on gays - god agrees with you. If you want to accept gays into the church - oh, look, god also agrees with you.
If you want to hate on gays - god agrees with you. If you want to accept gays into the church - oh, look, god also agrees with you.
Positions of the churches evolve. Churches have that in common with parties, trade unions, the law, etc., even with most individuals. If you don't like that, Stalinism might be the answer.
ThatBritGuy:
When you do this you can no longer have a debate among human equals, because one party is claiming that their point of view is super-human, and you, as a mere human, have no valid opinion on it. (Who are you to argue with god, or the markets?)
Er, you have just complained that churches' positions on gay marriage and the like evolve, sometimes in very very fierce debates. Now you complain of the opposite. Can't make up your mind, eh?
Positions of the churches evolve.
So much for revealed wisdom, eh?
Can't make up your mind, eh?
No, I'm perfectly happy with the idea that religion is the intellectual, philosophical, emotional and spiritual equivalent of genital mutilation, and that if you're looking for a consistently positive moral position, religion is the last place you're going to find one.
But then you've just agreed to that last point yourself, so I have no idea why we're even debating the social value of arbitrary inconsistent ethics that pretend to be divinely revealed.
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