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Paet reports from his talks with somewhat neutral people on the Maidan, including some Olga that Ashton also knows, during a recent visit in Kiev:

    there is no trust of the people in the new government (2:35)
    all of them in the new government have a dirty past (2:50)
    the trust level (towards the new government) is absolutely low (3:20)
    enormous pressure against (party of the region) members of parliament (3:40)
    "uninvited visitors" enter in the night on party members (3:50)
    journalists who were with me saw during the day that one member of parliament was just beaten in front of the parliament (4:00)
    people will not leave the street before real reforms start, it is not enough that there is just change of government (4:20)
    the same Olga (from a civil society group) told me that people killed by snipers on both sides, among policemen and people on the street, that they were the same snipers killing people from both sides, she showed me some photos and said she has a medical doctor and that it is the same handwriting and the same type of bullets and it is disturbing that the new coalition now don't want to investigate (8:25)
    There is now stronger and stronger understanding that behind snipers it was not Yanukovich but it was somebody from the new coalition. (8:55)
    it discredited itself from the very beginning this new coalition (9:20)

OK.Now if Olga had at the time any reason (???) to tell Estonian FM false information as you suggest or if Estonian FM had any reason to lie to Ashton (???) / my head is spinning of these stupidities right now/ then let's go trough these OTHER points of his report to Ashton...one by one...
Please , it's your turn now...you must have some good (Laughable) explanation on each of them.I would specially like to hear one about how Yanukovych party members VOLUNTARILY voted on all the shit this government produced...and keep producing. I love the most recent 10 years of prison to those with double citizenship and about use of just Latin alphabet...Such a great democracy you are supporting here...It's your turn to go trough Estonian FM report...    

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein
by vbo on Thu Mar 6th, 2014 at 06:26:59 AM EST
From 1920 to 1945, Estonia's border with Russia, set by the 1920 Tartu Peace Treaty, extended beyond the Narva River in the northeast and beyond the town of Pechory (Petseri) in the southeast. This territory, amounting to some 2,300 square kilometres (888 sq mi), was incorporated into Russia by Stalin at the end of World War II. For this reason the borders between Estonia and Russia are still not defined.

No reason to lie, eh?

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Mar 6th, 2014 at 06:53:46 AM EST
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What reason you see there? If anything he should lie that Russia and Yanukovych did it, not Kiev western propped "government" .I do not get your point here.

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind...Albert Einstein
by vbo on Thu Mar 6th, 2014 at 07:01:58 AM EST
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For being in Australia you seem to know extremely well the motivations and context of everyone in Ukraine. How do you do it?

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 6th, 2014 at 07:05:39 AM EST
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You mean the estonian FM would lie to improve the position of Yanukovich and/or Russia in the hopes of gaining land?

I don't think that would be a reasonable expectation for the estonian FM.

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by A swedish kind of death on Thu Mar 6th, 2014 at 09:02:23 AM EST
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So then the Estonians are fabricating a Western conspiracy so that Russia will return this area to them?

This makes less sense than some of the things that have been coming from the Russian side. Not to mention, that I imagine the last thing that they Estonians want is more Russians in their country.

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by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Thu Mar 6th, 2014 at 02:02:03 PM EST
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Such a great democracy you are supporting here.

It's just so tiring that you keep on saying stupid things like this.

I have seen no one here "supporting" those who have taken over the Ukrainian government.

What we don't support is bullshit Russian propaganda, any more than bullshit Western propaganda.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Mar 6th, 2014 at 07:05:31 AM EST
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