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Does Russia have a substantial current account deficit? Because otherwise this talk of a "petro-Rouble" is nonsense.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Apr 27th, 2014 at 03:22:01 AM EST
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Wikipedia: List of sovereign states by current account balance
Surplus in Billion US-Dollar (2011)
Rank Country	  Surplus
1.   Saudi Arabia 252.756
2.   Germany	  219.938
3.   Russia	  198.760
4.   China	  155.142
Here's why neither the Ruble nor the Yuan can be reserve currencies: there just aren't enough Ruble- or Yuan-denominated assets going around to support it.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Apr 27th, 2014 at 03:28:31 AM EST
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Not so. The reason neither the Ruble nor the Yuan is a reserve currency is that neither Russia nor China has enough aircraft carriers to make good on the colonial punitive expeditions that the reserve currency power commits to by virtue of attempting to maintain a major reserve currency.

The current account position is a consequence, not a cause, of the status of your currency.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sun Apr 27th, 2014 at 03:59:10 AM EST
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Jake: 'The current account position is a consequence, not a cause, of the status of your currency.'

This implies that the current position of the US$ as the world reserve currency is even more precarious than Dobbins and Koenig make it to be, as it would be significantly based on perception. Overplaying one's hand when one has a perceived advantage that is greater than the actual advantage is an excellent way to lose that advantage. That could lead to a catastrophic collapse of the value of the US$. Personally, I would prefer a more gradual rebalancing. I suspect so would China, Russia and the rest of the BRICS.

One proven way to alter such developments as these is war. But that, if it escalated, would likely truly usher in a post-apocalyptic new dark age and catastrophic collapse of human life on earth, along with most other life forms. Again, to some it may seem that the problems are now and the consequences are then. May cool heads prevail.
 

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Apr 27th, 2014 at 10:39:56 AM EST
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No, the status of your currency is not based on perception. It is based on your place in the pecking order of your trade bloc, and your trade bloc's place in the pecking order of the great game.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sun Apr 27th, 2014 at 11:19:38 AM EST
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But following ARGeezer's argument, the US$ status as a reserve currency suffered a blow at the hands of Russia in Syria, for instance, where Putin of all people had to rescue Obama from the punitive expedition he was being drawn into by his clients.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Apr 27th, 2014 at 02:19:24 PM EST
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And there is a very big difference between being in effective control of all of the world's settlement systems and having a bifurcated settlement system with one part somewhat smaller but growing and the other larger but diminishing. China and Russia are still both growing and capable of high growth rates, not least because they are not hamstrung by ideologies supportive of 'austerity' and massive internal distributive inefficiencies. China is the second largest economy and growing at 7%+/year and Russia, on the basis of purchasing power parity, is the number five economy and could well again grow at several percent per year, while the nations with which China has signed bilateral trade agreements with settlement in Yuan include Brazil, Russia, India and South Africa for starters.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Apr 27th, 2014 at 04:45:43 PM EST
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China is a hot mess.  For one thing, there's a massive strike wave that's gone largely unreported by Western media.  

This feeds into the second issue, wage inflation.  While Europe is staring down deflation, Chinese industry is facing rising wages in industry.  In the five years after the economic crisis (2009-2013) Chinese wage in manufacturing have been rising by 15% a year on average. By 2013, annual wages in manufacturing have risen to the equivalent of $6,660. Run that out into the mid 2020s, and the manufacturing wage in China converges with US rates.  Of course, Chinese productivity is a fraction that of the US, so the convergence is actually much sooner.

Now compare China to Mexico.

Manufacturing wages, adjusted for Mexico's superior worker productivity, are likely to be 30 percent lower than in China by 2015. China's wages have soared. They were about one-quarter as high as Mexico's in 2000 but are catching up rapidly and will be slightly higher by 2015. And labor productivity remains higher in Mexico, even though the gap is narrowing. The crossover point was 2012, when unit labor costs in China (i.e., wages adjusted for productivity) grew to equal those in Mexico. By 2015, Mexico will be around 29 percent less expensive.
 

In short, China is in no position to challenge the reserve status of the US dollar. For several years, Chinese central bankers have been eyeing their horde of US dollar reserves with unease.  If you or I convert dollars to yuan, it isn't going to change the exchange rate.  If Chinese central bankers do.  That will lead to a significant devaluation of the US dollar against the yuan.  Which both means that Chinese investments in the US lose value relative to China, and that the wage inflation problem escalates.  All that an attack on the  reserve status of the US dollar would do is hasten the collapse of Chinese industry. Doing that would pop the Chinese real estate bubble, and lead to the collapse of  a number of banks.  

Again. In short.  There is absolutely zero chance that China willing participates in an effort to attack the the dollar.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Sun Apr 27th, 2014 at 07:37:48 PM EST
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China was suppressing wages for a long time - This is a correction, and a needed one. I wouldn't expect those hikes to continue at that pace beyond the point where their productivity and pay get back into balance. Which we will be able to detect because their trade balance starts looking less stupid.
by Thomas on Mon Apr 28th, 2014 at 04:46:17 AM EST
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I WOULD expect that this will be the stimulus for a long overdue change in the growth plan for China into one that emphasizes the infrastructure that promotes productivity of its industry and labor force and deals with its environmental problems. And that would be an excellent development. Building quality housing that is affordable to workers and a network of health care facilities to serve that population along with switching out of coal for energy, providing affordable transit to get them from home to work, school and shopping in addition to high speed regional rail and instead of elegant looking structures in vacant cities - to invoke cliches.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2014 at 11:01:50 AM EST
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Yes, when you turn out to not have quite as much capacity to mount colonial punitive expeditions as your position in the trade system implies, then you will see your terms of trade deteriorate.

But there is some way from seeing your terms of trade deteriorate to losing reserve currency status. Just like there is some way between shedding unprofitable fringe colonies and losing your empire altogether.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2014 at 03:04:56 PM EST
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"...then you will see your terms of trade deteriorate."

That is the whole point I am trying to make, long with the point that an alternative FX settlement system not controlled by the USA will greatly diminish the power of the USA to conduct economic warfare. That system does not yet exist but is clearly developing. It is very unwise to risk accelerating that development just to make the current US administration look strong. If US actions in Ukraine continue on the current course that seems a real danger.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2014 at 04:12:56 PM EST
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Just because Russia has a current account surplus does not mean that they have no concerns about the use of the current international settlements system as an instrument of economic warfare against them. If the US doesn't want to play nice there is another game with China and the other BRICS that Russia can play. That didn't use to be the case.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Apr 27th, 2014 at 11:50:28 AM EST
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What I mean is that, just as there are not enough German bonds for international investors to hold, there are not enough Russian bonds.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Apr 27th, 2014 at 02:17:40 PM EST
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"there are not enough Russian bonds." Were investments in Russian bonds seen as secure from US originated currency manipulation and attack any shortage of Russian Bonds could be readily remedied. And if Russia can get internal growth going again at 5%/yr or more for a few years the size of the entire rouble denominated world economy could increase. Already there is a demand for Chinese bonds outside of China. Everyone is seeking yield.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Apr 27th, 2014 at 07:34:21 PM EST
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Everyone is seeking yield and there is market demand, but governments with substantial C/A balances will not oblige.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2014 at 05:19:05 AM EST
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On of the significant uses of eurodollars is for financing development in developing countries. Much of this has been done with eurodollar bonds from The City, or so I learned. But this is only one model. China and Russia could both engage in such development in Africa and Latin America either with bonds or direct financing. But, to me, the most salient characteristic of an international currency is the ability to settle trades in that currency and simply having a trade surplus facilitates that function. I wouldn't be worried about the lack of bonds for rentiers to hold.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2014 at 11:09:22 AM EST
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I'm not talking about rentiers. The developing countries who use petrodollars for development are usually net exporters (or raw materials). Or, in the case of China, net exporters of manufactured goods. US$ bonds are needed to invest current account surpluses ("recycling of petrodollars").

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2014 at 11:36:57 AM EST
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That is how the capital account balances the current account for any nation where the nation with a current account deficit is structurally unable to run a trade surplus, especially the USA. That is the mechanism Varoufakis describes in The Global Minotaur. But it is not necessary for either trade partner to run a deficit if they can both balance their current accounts. They could just trade raw materials for manufactured goods. But FDI by one side is a capital account activity and it too can be repaid in raw materials and/or agricultural goods. Raw materials could also be traded for capital goods so that the country receiving FDI could add value to its exports. The requirement is that Current Account = Capital Account for both countries, by accounting identity. Else, what am I missing?

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2014 at 02:25:24 PM EST
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You are missing two points:

First, the US has the privilege of being able to run nearly unlimited foreign deficits, because the US is the man with the gun.

Second, currency reserve operations can drive FDI and current account, not just the other way around. If the Chinese central bankers think they have a dragon's hoard of US bonds, then they are delusional. What they have is the accounting shadow of thirty years of tribute paid to the Americans.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2014 at 03:07:56 PM EST
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Well, I am aware of the power of the USA to finance its overseas empire by simply printing units of the international currency and I recognize the role that military power has played in supporting that function. But China can surely provide US Treasuries to trading partners in need of them from its reserve and that is a positive for them. In addition to an accounting shadow what the Chinese hoard of US financial instruments represents is the price of undervaluing their currency wrt the US$.

Carriers are a significant means of power projection, and so are bases such as on Diego Garcia and in Thailand and Okinawa. But these are of limited utility on the Asian continent from Russia east. So China and Russia will not be feeling constrained except for agricultural production any time soon.

The point I am trying to make in this diary is not that Russia, China and the BRICS are trying to eliminate the USA as a major international power, but rather that they are creating an alternative sphere not controlled directly by the USA, thus giving trade partners a choice.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2014 at 04:03:44 PM EST
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But only those trade partners which have contiguous land connections to Russia or China.

Which, with the exception of Northern Indochina, are basically already in either Russia's or China's sphere of influence.

This may make it more difficult for the US to pry away Russia's Central Asian colonies. But that was always a half-hearted, opportunistic, and, most importantly, loss-making enterprise for the US anyway.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2014 at 04:34:15 PM EST
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It is true that US sea power could block Russia and China from conducting trade in large parts of the world. But that would be an overt act of war. It is certainly something to watch for, but I don't think we are very close to that point yet, and certainly not against China. And, were the USA to get into a war with China it could be very dicey for Japan, the Philippines, Singapore, Malaysia, etc. Power over the sea ways can be exercised from air bases as well as from the deck of a carrier. Japan could start having problems importing fossil fuels, for starters. Which way would Vietnam go? How secure would the new US access to Philippine bases be? I sincerely do not want to find out.    

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon Apr 28th, 2014 at 09:30:28 PM EST
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It wouldn't be war with Russia or China.

It would be war with the American colony that trades with them without paying its tribute to the Americans.

That this happens to impact Russian and Chinese trade, well too bad, so sad.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Tue Apr 29th, 2014 at 01:45:09 PM EST
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