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Anyhow the true quislings today in europe are people like Hollande/Valls, or Zapatero and now Rajoy, who do not even wait for the Brussels/Berlin diktat, and are happy to implement austerity without prodding, with predictable results. The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill
Probably the reason Godwin's law was drawn up The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill
Let me ask directly: is the FN's rampant xenophobia no problem for you? *Lunatic*, n. One whose delusions are out of fashion.
But again, I don't see the same question being asked to the french-based social-democratic types as to whether they have a problem with Manuel Vall's regular appeals to xenophobia (racist comments while Mayor in l'Essonne, deportations of Roms, et c.)
Why don't these get talked about? The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill
But unfortunately EELV is too wedded to Europe. Their slogan "give life to Europe"...well they are either naïve or they haven't been watching as Berlin has been giving life to a Europe I can only reject. All the while EELV's cheerleader in Germany, Cohn-Bendit, has been cheering them on (and ridiculing your party's current leadership). The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill
You avert your eyes.
I don't see the same question being asked to the french-based social-democratic types ... Why don't these get talked about?
Who are the French-based social-democratic types here? If you want to troll Jerôme, he is not around. I for one have regularly exposed Valls in the Newsrooms and remember several discussions, and you can't deny that his line was the PS's reaction to the FN's success. *Lunatic*, n. One whose delusions are out of fashion.
He has wanted to be Sarkozy in PS label for a very long time. Small wonder, it works here. Why? Ultimately, because not enough jobs duh. Not that the PS plans to actually do anything about that.
As for social democratic types this pretty much fits the bills for the lot of you. And the KPD was right about how y'all are. The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill
Now wonder you have that warm feeling of comradeship with fascists - then and now.
Now you're intentionally obtuse. First, Valls was mayor from 2001, that's just a year before le Pen got into the second round against Chirac, and FN had successes well before that. Second, what really matters is not what he did as a relatively unknown local politician, but what he did with full approval of the PS leadership, his PM and his President once he became interior minister. And years before Valls, his supposed role model Sarko was trying to out-FN the FN, too. But you know that full well.
Marine Le Pen hadn't even been elevated to leader
What does that have to do with anything? You keep pretending that we have had a (1) single-issue (2) French Presidential election and that (3) the FN candidate started with a clean slate and (4) without any party membership. In truth, we had an EP election, with several issues, FN had a party list loaded with the same old faces and plans alliances with forces in other countries sharing its "values" in much more than sovereignist opposition to the Euro. I could go on, but if you are in denial about the views of ET's resident FN supporter (fredouil) then you will remain in denial about it all.
As for social democratic types this pretty much fits the bills for the lot of you.
LOL! Shifty, aren't you? First it was "French-based social-democratic types" whom you surmise to be hypocritical about Valls, now that you can't locate a single one of those, everyone is a social democratic type? I suspect only a handful of us voted for S&D members, so your definition of "social democratic type" must be rather wide. In fact I wonder if you now classify those still faithful to the FDG as "social democratic types".
the KPD
Let's talk about the PCF, which you are bolting for the fascists. What happened to them that they lost credibility with you? How could it have happened? Come to think of it, how capitalist can China's Communist Party become before you see them in a worse light than the PCF now? *Lunatic*, n. One whose delusions are out of fashion.
http://mobile.lemonde.fr/les-decodeurs/article/2014/06/03/decheance-de-nationalite-valls-imprecis-va lls-amnesique_4430975_4355770.html
When we talk about racism in politics in France, there is a larger context. It is general, and MLP is not worse than Manuel Valls in my opinion.
As to adherence to social democracy and liberalism, I am especially talking about this site's historical primary patron. Not around much...conveniently...so as not to have to apologize for his party.
Finally in PCF we have a hack who is about one thing only...keeping what little power remainimg in place. Not renewal, not convince people, just keep old crusty mayors in place. He thought he had to ally with the PS, primarily because he is a profoundly stupid man. Of course, the lost virtually everywhere, and because of it, anywhere near the capital. And they are still in denial.
When the party in Beijing starts losing elections I might start talking like you expect. But that may also be a ways off. The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill
This is the equivalent of talking about the death penalty after a paedophile murder. It's pretty hard to stand up and say "This anti-semitic terrorist jihadist should keep his French nationality", but of course there is no way, constitutionally, that he could lose it (born French, in France, to French parents, he holds no other nationality).
Thinking it through : I could lose my nationality (there have been about 20 cases in the past 20 years) : because I acquired it, and because I hold another : if I committed an act of terrorism or high treason. [On checking : No I couldn't, because I've been French for more than ten years now. Phew.) It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
Also, too.
I can haz a stop to this leftier-than-thou bullshit?
- Jake Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.
unless it comes down to defence of class intrrest of course. The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill
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