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The strange appointment of Victoria Nuland as State Department Spokesperson
WhoIs Vicky Nuland? by Kommersant
Profile Robert Kagan
Exposé of the neocon tentacles of power  by Wayne Madsen  :-(

Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.

by Oui on Wed May 7th, 2014 at 05:32:34 AM EST
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That she's married to Robert Kagan is relevant, but what's the point in titling her maiden name as if it had some importance?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed May 7th, 2014 at 08:12:11 AM EST
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Usually I belief one's roots could be of importance and not the person one is married to, a principle of individuality and feminism.

Her father Sherwin B. Nuland was born Shepsel Ber Nudelman in The Bronx, New York City, on December 8, 1930, to immigrant Byelorussian Jewish parents Meyer Nudelman and Vitsche Lutsky.

Treaty of Riga signed between Poland and the Soviet Union in 1921
Lost In America - A Journey With My Father by Sherwin B. Nuland
Book review: Starkly, a Son Revisits His Father's Failures

Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.

by Oui on Wed May 7th, 2014 at 09:10:19 AM EST
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Oh, so you mean she's Jewish?

Wow.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed May 7th, 2014 at 10:07:53 AM EST
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And from Belarus, to boot!

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 7th, 2014 at 10:54:42 AM EST
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The NYT says Russia....
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Wed May 7th, 2014 at 11:03:22 AM EST
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The NYT lies.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed May 7th, 2014 at 11:27:31 AM EST
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Is the NYT Jewish, too?

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 7th, 2014 at 11:28:53 AM EST
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Shore as hell ain't Russian.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed May 7th, 2014 at 11:37:53 AM EST
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Here's what Yale has to say.
His father, an Orthodox Jew who emigrated from Bessarabia in 1907,
So she's really Moldovan or Ukrainian...
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Thu May 8th, 2014 at 02:20:30 AM EST
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Bessarabia was in Russia in 1907, so add or Bessarabian or Russian. Or why not Transdinistrian :)

Sweden's finest (and perhaps only) collaborative, leftist e-newspaper Synapze.se
by A swedish kind of death on Thu May 8th, 2014 at 02:25:50 AM EST
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Quite interesting, Bessarabia Governorate would never have  been independent moving between the Ottoman Empire, Principality of Moldavia, Russian Empire, Moldova, Romania and Ukraine.

The National Renascence of the Balkan Peoples in the 19th century

Most of the people were peasants with very small plots, or no land at all. The land reform of 1868 favored the prosperous peasants. Only 14.7% of the pop. was urban in 1912. The largest city was Kishinev (Rom. Chisinau). There was a Pogrom of Jews in that city in 1903. Pogroms in the Russian Empire in late 19th and early 20th century led to large-scale Jewish emigration, mostly to U.S.

 [There were pogroms in Bessarabia and the Trans-Dniester region, when Romanian troops entered these regions in summer 1941. Many Ukrainians also participated in these pogroms].



Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.
by Oui on Thu May 8th, 2014 at 10:03:17 AM EST
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I think it is of interest that she is a hidden german.
by IM on Sat May 10th, 2014 at 11:47:13 AM EST
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Keep on keeping on!

The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill
by r------ on Wed May 7th, 2014 at 08:19:13 AM EST
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Of all the discussions on ET of what Wayne Madsen is worth, I like this one best.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed May 7th, 2014 at 08:37:31 AM EST
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poor wayne madsen.

thank you for the links.

The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill

by r------ on Wed May 7th, 2014 at 08:48:31 AM EST
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From afew's link and falsification of his words:

Alexander Litvinenko because -- and this was his sole piece of "evidence" -- the killers used polonium, which is named after Poland.

Statement by the stormy present [?] is pure bull. Quoting from the report:

Intelligence experts point out that polonium was discovered by Marie Curie (née Maria Sklodowska) in 1897 and named after her native homeland Poland (Polonia in Latin) to express her support for Polish independence against its partition by Russia, Prussia and Austria.
    "While a French citizen, Marie Skłodowska Curie (she used both surnames) never lost her sense of Polish identity. She taught her daughters the Polish language and took them on visits to Poland. She named the first chemical element that she discovered - polonium, which she first isolated in 1898 - after her native country." [source Wikipedia]

Before Putin moved in to take over Yukos Oil from the Russian criminal syndicates, there were plans to build a Russian-German gas pipeline through Poland. After Poland was taken over by a neo-con team of identical twins Lech and Jaroslaw Kaczynski, who serve as President and Prime Minister, respectively, Poland not only began to conduct a witch hunt against ex-Communists but also became a base of operations for the anti-Putin Russian-Israeli exiled gangsters and oligarchs.

Named as Defense Minister was former American Enterprise Institute resident scholar Radek Sikorski, who also happens to be married to Washington Post editorial board member and leading neo-con journalist Anne Applebaum, also a leading critic of Putin (along with a number of so-called "liberals," including Clinton ambassador to the UN Richard Holbrooke).

After Putin decided, along with former German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, to bypass Poland and build the Russo-German pipeline under the Baltic Sea, Sikorski unleashed a barrage against Russia and Germany. He likened the pipeline deal to the 1939 Molotov-Ribbentrop Agreement that carved up Eastern Europe, including Poland, between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. Sikorski asked German Chancellor Angela Merkel to cancel the pipeline deal but she refused.

[links added are mine - Oui]

Alexander Litvinenko, MI6 agent, betrayed by British legal system

Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.

by Oui on Sat May 10th, 2014 at 04:55:25 AM EST
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Oui:
falsification of his words

Huh? What does that mean?

Oui:

Statement by the stormy present [?] is pure bull.

Pity stormy isn't around any more, or you'd have a debate on your hands.

As for me, I'll just say that Wayne Madsen has been discussed often here, and the conclusion is that he's one of those people who make a name for themselves peddling conspiracy theories based on flimsy connect-the-dots evidence.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat May 10th, 2014 at 05:30:04 AM EST
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Spell it out to me like I'm five, please. Maybe I'm missing something incredibly, obviously self-evident, but right now I'm not seeing much of a red thread between your links. Nevermind a coherent story.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed May 7th, 2014 at 11:06:32 AM EST
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I don't think Oui wants to answer you.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat May 10th, 2014 at 05:31:21 AM EST
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More's the pity, because I really can't be bothered to deep-dive into the circus tent full of right-wing clowns Oui is parading to find out how he connects the dots he seems to think are there to be connected.

If the whole clown parade is relevant to the story, then enough of it would have leaked by now that there would be no need to resort to silly conspiracy nuts like Mr. Madsen. And if some of the clowns are more important than the rest, then those should be highlighted for the reader.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sat May 10th, 2014 at 10:23:41 AM EST
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I long gave up even trying to divine Oui's own thoughts from posts broken up by his links scattergun and trying to follow the connect-the-dots hints. But the title of the diary is not his own but that of the article in his very first link: Meet the Americans Who Put Together the Coup in Kiev by a non-right-wing author characterised thus:

A veteran of the Berkeley Free Speech Movement and the New Left monthly Ramparts, Steve Weissman lived for many years in London, working as a magazine writer and television producer. He now lives and works in France, where he is researching a new book, "Big Money and the Corporate State: How Global Banks, Corporations, and Speculators Rule and How to Nonviolently Break Their Hold."

Having read the article, it doesn't support the claim in its title, either, especially because the article doesn't get to the actual regime change and discusses events in the years before (the link says that this is Part I). However, I think it is still worth to read, because the text is more nuanced while detailing the (initially) successful soft power efforts of American meddlers and their European helpers and is far from being pro-Putin. Basically he claims that infrastructure that was essential to launch and boost the protests was funded by various State Department, private and European funds, and launching Orange Revolution II was a professed option long before the rejection of the EU treaty. I feel he is over-stating his case even here, not acknowledging that many in the network might be idealists taken for a ride and not detailing the relationship of the NGOs and the Yushchenko or Tymoshenko aligned cleptocrats.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue May 13th, 2014 at 04:43:32 AM EST
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