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Sorry, did someone say patriarchy was dead?

My beef with feminism is that in Western industrial cultures it's just business-patriarchy in drag.

You get all the usual capitalist work ethic nonsense and some cash to pat you on the head for being a good little cog and - er - that's pretty much it.

Nothing actually changed politically, except that the labour pool got bigger, people of both sexes became completely oriented towards work and income, votes remained largely valueless, consumption increased, and labour became cheaper.

Now, you could say that this is an improvement on the old ways of kirche, kuche, kinder.

But there's still no real self-determination happening here. The social goals are still being defined and reinforced externally,  there's still a huge propaganda industry telling everyone how to act, think, and feel, and women are still passively accepting this, largely without questioning it. Even so-called radicals either agree that this is all entirely good, or don't think it's important enough to question.

Because - you know - what everyone does all day isn't any kind of political issue.

The biggest difference is that men are now accepting it too. Before feminism family - no matter how dysfunctional - was a political motivator for men. (I'm not suggesting this is an ideal goal, I'm just pointing out the history.)

Now that we're all rats competing with each other, the motivations for progressive politics are harder to find, and less sticky and compelling than they used to be.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Jun 18th, 2014 at 11:04:02 AM EST
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Oh, feminism bad because it didn't kill capitalism...  the poor working-class male doesn't even have his wife to look down on any more... Sad.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Wed Jun 18th, 2014 at 11:30:48 AM EST
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