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The data includes both fine grained and more rough partition. On page 18 the author compares middle groups to lowest and highest groups. After the shift in fertility, highest has lower then middle that has lower then lowest. As we approach the present this difference decreases as fertility rate drop in in middle and lowest catches up with highest.

Do you have anything to support your notion that fertility is decreasing more in middle class then upper class?

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by A swedish kind of death on Wed Jun 18th, 2014 at 11:26:57 AM EST
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I am keen on finer graining still. When you compare the lifestyles of the <1% and the next 10-20%, there is so much fewer stress factors and in lesser strength. An abundance indeed.
by das monde on Wed Jun 18th, 2014 at 11:49:54 AM EST
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Can there be a higher fertility among the 1%? Sure. Unless someone has counted the children of the über-rich it can not be disproven.

Is it likely that there is nothing to back it up with except your theory? No.

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by A swedish kind of death on Wed Jun 18th, 2014 at 03:31:07 PM EST
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At some point this would be a political rather than scientific issue.
by das monde on Wed Jun 18th, 2014 at 05:06:02 PM EST
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The conclusions are of course political, but that only increases the importance of understanding the roles hierarchies play properly.

The demographic transition has changed the gender roles a lot. Going from high birth rate - high death rate to low birth rate - low death rate has decreased the amount of time that has to be spent bearing, givng birht to and raising children. The beneficiaries of freeing up a lot of time is women. Feminism is a feedback and consequence of low birth rates and also a way to change society. With falling birth rates power over reproduction shifts to women, and the faster it happens the faster the birth rates fall.

If successfull women in China are unlikely to find a mate, this reflects both that they are not dependent on finding one, and that society in China has yet to adopt to change. But that is nothing new, it is the same pattern repeating. If chinese society does not adopt to it, they will have low birth rates.

But this is the thing, there are socities that has adapted to the changes in demographics with changing gender roles. Which also changes pairing patterns. So your assertion that hierarchy's role in sexual attraction is something constant appears rather suspect.

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by A swedish kind of death on Sun Jun 22nd, 2014 at 10:56:58 AM EST
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Feminism is a "feedback" in the West only. The low birth rate might be the adaptation, after all - ecological overshots must have a lo-o-ong evolutionary history.

The mechanism of how the increased women reproductive power leads to lower birthrates is a mystery - but I dare to see here not just increased economic stress factors, but paucity of genuine biochemical triggers in a high status woman's life. I just became a bit more convinced about this after reading about sexting. It must perhaps remain a not-so-politically-correct secret, but (on the sub-conscious level) the line between feminine arousal and forced situations can be very uncomfortably blurred. But I would rather stop insisting on that.

by das monde on Sun Jun 22nd, 2014 at 11:29:45 AM EST
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But I would rather stop insisting on that.

I would rather believe you would. I'm not sure I do at this stage.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Sun Jun 22nd, 2014 at 11:35:27 AM EST
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