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My experience would be similar - right down to having two feminist daughters who can do glamour when they want to. I suppose the nature of feminism has changed too; it's no longer a matter of throwing away the bras and heels and quite aggressively challenging female stereotypes in relationships, sexual norms, the work place and social spaces and more a case of getting ahead on their own terms with people who don't get in their way.  The widespread adoption of more "liberal norms" has made political protest and activism (and consciousness) less necessary with conservative organisations like the Churches ignored rather than protested against and becoming much less influential in discourse more generally. I also wonder has feminism become more of a middle class professional women thing - the people who perhaps need it least, whilst leaving the lives of many working class women relatively untouched. However education has also proved a great leveler, with many women outperforming men at all levels and achieving much greater career success and social status than heretofore. There is still a long way to go, but also perhaps a confidence that things are, for now, still heading in the right direction.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Wed Jun 18th, 2014 at 06:50:42 AM EST
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...getting ahead on their own terms... outperforming... achieving... career success and social status

Sorry, did someone say patriarchy was dead?

My beef with feminism is that in Western industrial cultures it's just business-patriarchy in drag.

You get all the usual capitalist work ethic nonsense and some cash to pat you on the head for being a good little cog and - er - that's pretty much it.

Nothing actually changed politically, except that the labour pool got bigger, people of both sexes became completely oriented towards work and income, votes remained largely valueless, consumption increased, and labour became cheaper.

Now, you could say that this is an improvement on the old ways of kirche, kuche, kinder.

But there's still no real self-determination happening here. The social goals are still being defined and reinforced externally,  there's still a huge propaganda industry telling everyone how to act, think, and feel, and women are still passively accepting this, largely without questioning it. Even so-called radicals either agree that this is all entirely good, or don't think it's important enough to question.

Because - you know - what everyone does all day isn't any kind of political issue.

The biggest difference is that men are now accepting it too. Before feminism family - no matter how dysfunctional - was a political motivator for men. (I'm not suggesting this is an ideal goal, I'm just pointing out the history.)

Now that we're all rats competing with each other, the motivations for progressive politics are harder to find, and less sticky and compelling than they used to be.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Jun 18th, 2014 at 11:04:02 AM EST
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Oh, feminism bad because it didn't kill capitalism...  the poor working-class male doesn't even have his wife to look down on any more... Sad.

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by eurogreen on Wed Jun 18th, 2014 at 11:30:48 AM EST
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