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Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jun 3rd, 2014 at 07:50:59 PM EST
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In Greece, I talk mostly with right wing women but left wing men. Or do they just kid me?
by das monde on Wed Jun 4th, 2014 at 02:07:22 AM EST
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I think it varies.

In the UK the macho and misogynistic attitudes of unions meant that in the 60s women were 10% more likely to vote Tory than men were. Now, with women's rights being more a Labour value, women are more likely to vote labour than men.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jun 4th, 2014 at 03:14:59 AM EST
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I am curious how misogynistic logic or macho instincts indeed impact women's decision making.
by das monde on Wed Jun 4th, 2014 at 04:25:42 AM EST
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Intuitively, I would say that it either makes them submissive or tough and ruthless. Both right-wing principles.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Wed Jun 4th, 2014 at 06:28:28 AM EST
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The women greatest power is to (strongly) accept or reject. Logic or balanced motives are more a social play than a real criterion, on a large scale.

Compared to conservatives, the progressives are ignorant about the power of hierarchy-based emotions. Primitive powers meet less challenge, times are getting more troublesome - and progressives do not offer own power centers.  

by das monde on Wed Jun 4th, 2014 at 07:14:28 AM EST
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I think what I'm saying is that in a macho and misogynistic society, hierarchy is maintained by the explicit threat of violence, or by actual violence. This is not conducive to the development of co-operative and win-win strategies, which is something that women generally bring to the mix, when they are able.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Wed Jun 4th, 2014 at 09:39:41 AM EST
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Conservative 'logic' generally comes down to 'Who has power?'

E.g. posts by our very own Santiago always justify power as an end in itself that justifies every means.

It's purely herd logic. There are alpha animals asserting dominance through violence, fear-of-the-other-herds, and simple lying for personal benefit. The rest of the herd is supposed to follow.

It's not purely a gender thing. That kind of 'logic' appeals strongly to older males who feel they lack power.

Old left logic was framed as a power struggle against the alphas. It was sticky and successful because it made sense in herd terms.

Modern progressive logic is about trying to understand cause and effect, and to engineer workable solutions to problems.  

Probably only about a quarter of the population can even begin to think like this, and only about 5% of the population is any good at it.

Politically, it's not a winner.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Jun 4th, 2014 at 09:41:58 AM EST
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Perhaps they're just trying to shake you off? :)

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Wed Jun 4th, 2014 at 06:28:50 AM EST
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If they know me that much... What is new for me? Not Abe fans in Japan.
by das monde on Wed Jun 4th, 2014 at 07:17:42 AM EST
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This comment totally explains why you wrote the Hierarchy diary, lol!

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Jun 18th, 2014 at 10:39:07 AM EST
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Note also that support for an independant Scotland is male-dominated. A warrior thing in both cases?

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Wed Jun 4th, 2014 at 09:35:38 AM EST
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Men did watch more Braveheart.
by IM on Wed Jun 4th, 2014 at 10:27:57 AM EST
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