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The questions were not a hoax, but part of a new effort to measure the size of the Spanish economy. As of September, all European Union countries will be required to take fuller accounting of trade in sex, drugs and other underground businesses as part of an overhaul of economic measurements by Eurostat, the European statistics agency.

The point of counting everything, including the wages of sin, is to get a more accurate reading of each country's gross domestic product. Because G.D.P. is such an important number -- one that can sway national policies and make or break politicians -- the European Union wants numbers "better reflecting the economic environment," Vincent Bourgeais, a Eurostat spokesman, said.

With European Union governments obliged to reduce debt as a percentage of their economies, the changes are also expected to make growth rates from Spain to Sweden look better, possibly also making debt ratios seem rosier.

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Tue Jul 15th, 2014 at 05:21:40 AM EST
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Le sigh...

First of all, it's not just the EU ("wacky Europeans" narrative), it's the OECD and the UN.

OECD: Measuring the
non-observed economy [PDF]
(November 2002)

it is essential that statisticians correctly measure the absolute levels of GDP as well as the growth rates by valuing all economic activities that are to be included in the GDP according to the international standards of the System of National Accounts 1993 (SNA). The challenge that this presents to statisticians has increased in recent years because of the difficulties in valuing new activities, particularly in the services sector, and in valuing activities in the so-called "informal" and "underground" sectors.
The proble is that if you derive income from illegal activities and then spend it on legal activities the system of national accounts may show an inconsistency.
The 1993 System of National Accounts is based on a broad view of economic activity. For example, the SNA production boundary (see Chart 2), which is used to define the GDP, makes no distinction between legal and illegal activities as long as they are willingly engaged in by buyers and sellers. The SNA also requires the national accountant to pretend that certain transactions have occurred - for example that home-owners rent their homes, in their capacity as owners, to themselves in their capacity as occupants, or that farmers who eat some of the food they have grown sell it, in their capacity as producers, to themselves, in their capacity as consumers. Most significantly, the SNA production boundary includes economic activities that are not reported to the tax authorities and government statisticians either through ignorance or deliberate intent on the part of producers or through incompetence or deliberate choice on the part of the authorities.
But you can't expect economic reporting to explain this.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 15th, 2014 at 05:41:20 AM EST
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A few weeks ago it was already announced that the Dutch economy was estimated some 40 billion euro's higher, due to the new accounting. The Dutch Statistics Bureau has provided new figures since 2001. Prostitution and cannabis alone added almost 1,6 billion euros to the 2010 estimate.

Apparently France refuses to include drugs in their new tallies.

Does the economic crisis look suddenly less bad this way?

by Bjinse on Tue Jul 15th, 2014 at 05:41:26 AM EST
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Gah.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 15th, 2014 at 05:41:55 AM EST
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European Parliament: Written question: Revision of the GDP calculation method (6 March 2014)
Question for written answer
to the Commission
Rule 117
Auke Zijlstra (NI)

Eurostat has revised the gross domestic product (GDP) calculation method. According to the new method, the Dutch GDP is almost EUR 45 billion (7.6%) higher. The new methodology takes into account illegal activities such as drug trafficking, piracy and smuggling. Out of the EUR 45 billion increase, EUR 2.4 billion come from illegal activities.
In the light of this:

  1. Can the Commission state what the financial consequences of the new calculation method adopted by Eurostat will be for the Netherlands and for the other 27 Member States? Will the Dutch financial contribution to the EU budget have to be increased as well?
  2. Can the Commission explain on what legal grounds the percentage of GDP generated by illegal activities can be included in the calculation carried out by Eurostat?
  3. Can the Commission clarify why Eurostat differentiates between illegal activities -- which are taken into account for the sake of GDP calculations -- and the so-called black economy and grey economy? How can the Commission estimate the different sizes of the black and grey economies in the Member States?


A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 15th, 2014 at 05:44:55 AM EST
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gk:
"better reflecting the economic environment,"

Let's re-arrange that to:

" reflecting a better economic environment,"

Considering all the skullduggery advocated and subsidised by the Pars-dat-be, it makes a sort of horrid sense.

Certainly in Italy large chunks of the government and the Mafia are indistinguishable.


'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue Jul 15th, 2014 at 09:18:48 AM EST
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From the NYT article:
Still, Mr. Oneto said his agency would not go so far as to include one of the biggest possible economic enhancers -- business conducted by the Italian mob, which is thought to generate around €180 billion in annual revenue, equal to about 7 percent of Italy's G.D.P. "The mafia is too difficult to pin down," he said.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Tue Jul 15th, 2014 at 09:34:29 AM EST
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