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You should really check your sources carefully before posting stuff like this (and so should Silverstein). The only source that mentions this suspect by name also lists Menachem Mendel Beilis as a second suspect, which should tell you that this is someone's idea of a sick joke. The addresses of the suspects seem to be genuine.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Mon Jul 7th, 2014 at 07:21:07 AM EST
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Names are under gag order and cannot be published in Israel. RS can be trusted.

Six Israelis Arrested For Murder Of Palestinian Teen Had Criminal Records And "Nationalistic" Motive

The six suspects were Jewish Israelis who came from Jerusalem, Beit Shemesh, and the settlement of Adam. They were united, said police, through their mutual following of the Beitar Jerusalem soccer group. "They were, most of them, known to police. They have been engaged in acts of disturbances before." He said that the group had been tied to an attempt the day before to kidnap 9-year-old Musa Zalloum from the East Jerusalem neighborhood of Shuafat.

La Familia organized a protest in which they unfurled a giant yellow banner in Jerusalem's Teddy Stadium that read "Beitar Will be Pure Forever" -- a surreal echo of the Nazi slogans used against the Jews.

How Soccer Explains Israel - March 2013

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by Oui (Oui) on Mon Jul 7th, 2014 at 11:02:09 AM EST
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I have found no evidence online that the person with this name even exists (Google finds no mention of him older than 2 days), let alone was arrested. The Samaria council (or whatever it's called) took down their tweet after a very short time (because it was wrong?). The only other source, that I cited, which is probably the original, is obviously a lie. Even Silverstein can make a mistake from time to time.

Note that previous leaks (such as the fact that the Israelis were dead) were by Facebook posts by Israeli journalists using their own names, knowing that the Israeli government would be unlikely to risk the bad press of going after them in a case that really doesn't involve national security. This is not the case here.

Incidentally, I have seen hints elsewhere that the Beitar connection is true, but I can't make up my mind if it's just an inference from this tweet or has more behind it (I suspect the latter).

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Mon Jul 7th, 2014 at 11:25:48 AM EST
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You too haven't read my post.  How can you declare anything relevant to it spurious without doing so?  At any rate, Rabbi Ezra Batzri is the Av Beyt Din in Jerusalem.  Ezra Batzri is his grandson.  Why do you believe if you can't find a reference in GOogle to someone it means they don't exist?

As for removing the FB posting (NOT a tweet), it violated the gag order.  I'd expect the police to have demanded it be removed.  Again, removal often indicates censorship, not that it was wrong.  The Baylis posting was from a different FB account & NOT the original. It's obviously a stupid joke meant to distract attention from Batzri and his terror cell.

by richards1052 on Mon Jul 7th, 2014 at 07:51:26 PM EST
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Lack of a reference to someone on Google is not proof that someone does not exist, but one would expect someone spreading rumours to have a bit more to go on. And why did you change the name from Yitchak to Ezra?
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Tue Jul 8th, 2014 at 12:06:55 AM EST
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Thank you! Much appreciated.

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by Oui (Oui) on Tue Jul 8th, 2014 at 02:00:00 AM EST
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And since you're here, how about explaining where the idea he was the leader came from? It's not in the post you quoted.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Tue Jul 8th, 2014 at 03:11:40 AM EST
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Pretty nasty attitude from someone who has been misled by a hoax message. I suggest you post the question at Richard Silverstein's blog Tikun Olam - Leader of Terror-Murder Cell Follower of Shas and Beitar Jerusalem.  Forced by internal political division, PM Netanyahu expanded the collective punishment for the Palestinian people.

Operation Solid Rock, Gaza Invasion, Begins

This is the second day of Operation Protective Edge ("Solid Rock"). So far, 27 Palestinians have been killed, eight of them children, by massive Israeli air strikes. Two Israelis have been injured lightly. This is the first stage of what will eventually move to a ground invasion. That's why 40,000 Israeli reservists have been called up.  Don't believe media reports in which Netanyahu and Yaalon say Israel "may be forced" to invade. They are going to invade according to my Israeli source.

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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Jul 9th, 2014 at 04:31:28 AM EST
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Interesting how pointing out a hoax message becomes falling for it.

As for responding over there, he posted here so should stay around to answer for himself. All he (assuming it was really him posting here) did was claim that I hadn't read his post carefully, while not bothering to point out what I had missed - I have better things to do than waste time arguing with people with this type of meaningless debating style.

But I did read his post carefully, as a result. It's worse than I realised:

  • The reference to him being the leader is provided with no hint of where he comes from

  • The discussion of his grandfather's politics obviously suggests that this led directly to what the grandson did. This may be the case. But it also may not. There is no mention of the fact that the accused (if he really exists) would be the son of his father's first marriage, who subsequently married a second woman in a bigamous marriage (with his grandfather's approval...). It could just as well be this family history that led him to becoming a shababnik and hence to the murder.

Furthermore, no other site has taken up this story, even Failed Messiah who generally loves any story of Haredim behaving badly. It looks like it doesn't pass the smell test for anybody. This doesn't mean it's wrong, just that there is no evidence for it.

Actually, there's one exception. I found a reference to it on a site by one Allain Jules, who seems to be linked to Dieudonné . You might want to check this out, and, if I'm right, rethink the company you're unintentionally keeping.

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Wed Jul 9th, 2014 at 04:53:30 AM EST
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[ET Moderation Technology™]


(assuming it was really him posting here)

Just to clear that up, richards1052 is verifiably Richard Silverstein of Tikun Olam.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jul 9th, 2014 at 05:17:56 AM EST
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Thanks. His showing up to post twice and never responding made me a little bit suspicious....
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Wed Jul 9th, 2014 at 05:21:07 AM EST
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Religious racism

Rabbi David Batzri and his son Yitzhak were investigated by police after they made racist remarks against Arabs and protested against a mixed Arab-Jewish school in Jerusalem. [66][67] As part of a 2008 plea bargain, Yitzhak was sentenced to community service, and David issued a declaration saying he was opposed to any racist incitement and said that he calls for love, brotherhood and friendship. [68]

Dov Lior, Chief Rabbi of Hebron and Kiryat Arba in the southern West Bank and head of the "Council of Rabbis of Judea and Samaria" issued a religious edict saying "a thousand non-Jewish lives are not worth a Jew's fingernail" [69][70][71] and stated that captured Arab terrorists could be used to conduct medical experiments, [72] and also ruled that Jewish Law forbids employing Arabs or renting homes to them. [73][74] Lior denied holding racist views. [75] In June 2011 the Rabbi was arrested by Israeli police and questioned on suspicion of inciting violence. [76][77] Both opposition leader Tzipi Livni and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called for a full judicial investigation of Lior's remarks and said that rabbis were not above the law. [78] In October 2010, Ovadia Yosef, a former Sephardi chief rabbi, stated that the sole purpose of non-Jews "is to serve Jews".[79]

[Source: Wikipedia]

Soccer fan attack on Palestinians sparks Israeli debate - March 2012

An initially under-reported attack by militant supporters of controversial Beitar Jerusalem Football Club known for their anti-Palestinian, anti-Ashkenazi Jewish attitudes on Palestinian shoppers and workers in a Jerusalem shopping mall and the Israeli police's failure to intervene and arrest any the attackers has outraged many Israelis and is raising questions about the moral fiber of a society that tolerates such incidents as well as a soccer club that is unashamedly racist.

Police launched an investigation into the incident that was caught on security camera video only after the liberal Israeli newspaper Haaretz reported the assault and asked how Israel would have reacted if France had responded similarly to last week's attack on a Jewish school in Toulouse in which four people, including three children, were killed. The alleged killer died in a shootout with police after an intense manhunt and a more than 30-hour siege.

"Those who fail to raise their voice now over Malha will get Toulouse in Jerusalem. Sticks today, guns tomorrow," warned Haaretz commentator Gideon Levy.

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by Oui (Oui) on Mon Jul 7th, 2014 at 01:53:43 PM EST
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The Silverstein page you linked to calls him Ezra, not Yitchak (I can't see how you could have got it wrong; maybe Silverstein changed the page, but why?).  The two Hebrew tweets (the one that is clearly a sick joke, and the one that might depend on the other) both call him Ezra - and it's the latter for whom I've no evidence that he even exists.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Mon Jul 7th, 2014 at 02:52:18 PM EST
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RS does update his article with minor edits. From Hebrew translation there are some spelling corrections e.g. Bazri was changed to Batzri. RS has his own reliable sources inside Israel, though on occasion he too is taken for a ride by someone with a double agenda. His coverage of late has been excellent.

I'm sure your linked source played the sick joke.

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by Oui (Oui) on Mon Jul 7th, 2014 at 03:45:25 PM EST
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Name of main suspect in Abu Khdeir's murder released

The main suspect in the murder of 16-year-old Mohammed Abu Khdeir has been identified on Sunday as Yosef Haim Ben-David, 29, from the Geva Binyamin settlement (also known as Adam). Ben-David had initially appealed the decision to release his name, but Supreme Court Judge Elyakim Rubinstein rejected the appeal. Ben-David is accused of playing a central role in the murder, and setting Abu Khdeir on fire when he was unconcious.

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by Oui (Oui) on Sun Jul 20th, 2014 at 11:00:50 PM EST
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A completely false claim.  Read the blog post.  You'll see that the FB account from which the ORIGINAL reference to Batzri came was NOT the FB account which mentioned Mendel Baylis.  The Israeli far-right's ox has been gored.  They naturally would like to deflect blame from themselves.  Only they can't in this case.
by richards1052 on Mon Jul 7th, 2014 at 07:47:19 PM EST
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