If it were only a suggestion, and if it included "everyone". But there's a tendency for some to see the West™, its governments and media, as systematically 100% lying (I'm not saying that's necessarily a mistake), while Russia is an honourable victim, the white knight on the world stage. This is the mirror image of Cold War propaganda that posited the US as the champion of freedom and Soviet Russia as the Empire of Evil, and it is even blindly espoused by some on the left. We've seen examples here recently, and there are others elsewhere on the internet.

Nothing wrong with keeping a healthy, sceptical distance from it.

...evidence that Western governments lie a lot.

"When it is serious you have to lie."

Of course this also applies to Putin. An important factor in the success of a lie is the ability of the liar to assert control over as many information sources as possible, so as to ensure that the desired opinions are supported and to prevent the release of dis-confirming evidence. See Chelsea Manning, Edward Snowden and the Alexander Litvinenko incident. Inside Russia, Putin has a higher degree of such control than does the US Government in the USA. Outside Russia the USA has the highest level of control, not least because of NATO, but not extending to China, Venezuela, etc. The 'bible' for this was Bernays' Propaganda, which was the formal statement of his views on how this is done, based in part on his time at the US Office of Public Information during WW I.

As a US citizen I am most concerned with the actions of my own country, the current hegemon. Had the former Ukrainian government likely fallen from internal conflicts or natural death, which no one here believes, I would be much more critical of Russia. I fail to see how 'Western' control of Ukraine will benefit any but a tiny group in the USA, even though it would greatly gratify the Neocons. The current, ongoing civil war in Ukraine has been a disaster for those in the Donbas and it will get worse if/when the government of Ukraine succeeds in crushing the oppostion, not least because of the resulting gutting of the economy of the Donbas.

Propaganda is, first and foremost, a tool of war. IMO the current civil war in Ukraine was provoked by the USA through it euphemistically called 'soft power'. This does affect how I look at further developments. This sub-thread began with an invitation from Bjinse to discuss actual evidence, of which he provided a link to five photos. Two of those photos raised qualified questions in my mind and I so stated.

I hope that his be my last post on the subject of MH 19. At a minimum it is not clear that the propaganda generated by this incident is proportional to the actual cause of the incident, what ever that might be. In any case such discussion seems unwelcome.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."