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It isn't about the nukes. It's about not even believing in what you advocate.

Straight up: Do you believe renewable can support an industrial society? Then stop going on about the need for zero growth. Because if renewable can support an industrial society, they can support a much richer planet than the current one - There are billions in abject poverty right now, so saying "the world is rich enough, we dont need more growth" is just vilely racist and amoral.

If you don't believe renewables can support a richer planet, you need to abandon your advocacy for them, because you don't mean it - not in your bones. And you are doing the the cause harm, because the arguments that are being constructed from that basis really do just imply a mountain of skulls too large for me to visualize, and I have really good visual imagination.

by Thomas on Mon Sep 22nd, 2014 at 04:31:37 PM EST
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Just so you get it, that moderation tag means I am not entering into discussion with you but warning you about the excessive ad hominems you are using to bolster up your arguments.

Insinuating the person you are discussing with is vilely racist and amoral, and is likely to create a mountain of skulls, is not an acceptable form of discourse round here.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Sep 22nd, 2014 at 04:43:52 PM EST
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It's about not even believing in what you advocate.

Straight up: Do you believe renewable can support an industrial society?

Believing would be seeing, and well, the outcome of your wish or mine remains to be seen. No-one can extrapolate the future perfectly.

Renewables can support an industrial society with growth, yes, but not with present levels of wastage.

Florida oranges shipped to California and vice versa, 40% of supermarket food tossed in the dumpster, worst practices that could be asking too much from renewables to muster.

Retooling the uranium mining industry to run on electricity sounds good, but insanely expensive. Better to put that factory time to building PV and wind turbines, electric cars and trains.

Helluva lot friendlier for those starving billions to live downwind from while they wait for grid hookup...

Gonna be digging those underground nuke waste storage facilities with electric tools too, perhaps?

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Mon Sep 22nd, 2014 at 10:13:42 PM EST
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