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And, at the time Spengler was writing, neither European derived industrial civilizations nor that in Japan had collapsed. And the sort of collapse all but the USA experienced after WW II was not what Spengler was considering.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon Sep 22nd, 2014 at 08:55:54 PM EST
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