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Thanks for pointing that out.  I think I beat you to the "Trojan Horse" comment in a comment I made on Kos:
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I didn't mention in the Diary is that the US wants the UK to remain in - as a Trojan horse if nothing else - to ensure the EU and US don't drift too far apart. This has been particularly effective on foreign policy where UK leadership has helped to ensure wider EU participation in wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and now Syria.  

Nevertheless some members, like Ireland, which has never joined NATO, have refused to become involved and there has been huge public opposition to getting involved in wars in general and extraordinary rendition (through the use of Shannon airport as a stopover for troops and "unspecified" cargo in particular.

I should have added that the USA was also v. supportive of UK efforts to incorporate Eastern European States as quickly as possible to prevent them falling into a Russian Sphere of influence as well as to prevent EU political Union and Economic integration proceeding too fast and to effectively.

Do the British elite how isolated economically and how irrelevant politically the UK could become if it did leave the EU?  If so, why do they continue to play the dangerous game of stoking up anti-EU feeling at every opportunity - or have some elements of the elite not gotten the memo yet?

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Tue Sep 30th, 2014 at 06:01:39 AM EST
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"Do the British elite know how isolated economically and how irrelevant politically the UK could become if it did leave the EU?  If so, why do they continue to play the dangerous game of stoking up anti-EU feeling at every opportunity - or have some elements of the elite not gotten the memo yet?

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Tue Sep 30th, 2014 at 06:09:35 AM EST
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They don't care: next election is all they care about.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Sep 30th, 2014 at 07:08:30 AM EST
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I'm not just referring to the political elite. Indeed, big business could switch to Labour if they felt that was the surest way of avoiding Brexit.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Tue Sep 30th, 2014 at 07:26:43 AM EST
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The organized business community and I think the civil service is pro EU. I think even Cameron. The Tory press and the tory party is opposed.
by IM on Tue Sep 30th, 2014 at 07:11:19 AM EST
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Generally yes, but they don't seem to be very good at getting that message across to the Press Peers and Tory rank and file.  We could have a repeat of the Scotland referendum, with big business having to get off the fence and issue all sorts of dire warnings of economic disaster if Brexit happens, but by then it might well be too late.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Tue Sep 30th, 2014 at 07:31:53 AM EST
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I'm too old to believe that the Tory press has any convictions it's not being paid to have.

So the question, then, is who's paying the Torygraph to pretend to think this?

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Tue Sep 30th, 2014 at 08:59:43 AM EST
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There is always a market in local chauvinism, jingoism and xenophobia, and many willing to make money out of it.  But yes, if big business were to withdraw advertising...

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Tue Sep 30th, 2014 at 09:12:31 AM EST
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There are votes in euro-scepticism. See also UKIP, which is led by a classic braying jackass former commodities trader who appears to have hypnotised the British electorate into believing that he offers a Fresh New Voice of Change. (Idiots.)

My suspicion is that Cameron always knew that 2015 was lost, so be could promise anything and everything knowing he'd never have to deliver.

Thus the Tories get the best of both worlds. They get votes from a wedge issue, and they also get to keep the financial benefits of being in the EU.

Short-term, that's enough.

UKIP have no chance of forming a government, or even of becoming kingmakers in a coalition. They'd be much less pliant partners than the LibDems have been, and they fill most of the Tory grandees with a visceral revulsion.

The grandees probably feel some attrition in the upper-middle class MP ranks is acceptable, as long as no one important defects. (They won't.)

If it's a given that Labour win in 2015, the grandees can kick the UKIP can down the road until 2020 and work out what they want to do with it then, while the Two Eds screw up and become hated between now and then.

Also, Boris, who is the (barely) thinking person's Farrage.

It's not obvious what state the EU will be in by then, so it's a reasonable gamble.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Sep 30th, 2014 at 12:02:48 PM EST
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I could see UKIP benefiting from English resentment at DevoMax as well as the EU and splitting the right wing vote and allowing Labour in with only 35% of the vote.  Also the Nationalist will probably clean up in Scotland and deprive Labour of a lot of seats there and perhaps even hold the balance of power. So it could be a right mess after the next election.  Labour are quite capable of messing up big time. The establishment are playing a dangerous game...

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Tue Sep 30th, 2014 at 12:42:14 PM EST
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