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So a confusion of the two Hague courts is the basis for your complete dismissal?... I guess you'll accuse ARD (which reported all the same points and more) of sloppy reporting, too? Earlier, you were pretty quick to diss around accusations of nationalism, but perhaps you should look into the mirror.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sat Mar 14th, 2015 at 08:46:02 AM EST
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Is that supposed to be some sort of argument? Who can't even see the difference between a criminal and a civil law court is hardly a good reporter.

Bit that is not the point. More important is that there is no new argument here. Of course they used the no peace treaty argument to avoid payments. That isn't new. And it has nothing to with Greece especially.

So if reparations can still be demanded, a dozen countries could join in. The case that Greece is somehow different has still not been made.    

by IM on Sat Mar 14th, 2015 at 11:55:27 AM EST
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First, that was a blogger. He is not a journalist. But you seem to have disregarded the fact that he was quoting a German archivist who discovered documents in the German state archives. The important stuff was the actually document, not the blogger's interpretation.

Second, Germany isn't putting the thumbscrews to other EU nations. It is doing so to Greece. It is punishing Greece with intent. As Geithner has said, the whole strategy here is to punish Greece to discourage others.

Third, punishment as a form of discouragement is exactly what Greece suffered at the hands of Germany in the war, which is why the arguments are more than relevant in this case.

by Upstate NY on Sat Mar 14th, 2015 at 01:49:51 PM EST
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http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/greeks-still-waiting-for-war-reparations-1.2135701

The Irish Times is only a blog now? Filed under news, too.

the document doesn't shows us anything new and more important, isn't greek-specific.

by IM on Sat Mar 14th, 2015 at 07:43:00 PM EST
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I thought you were referring to the readinggreece.com link, not the Irish Times
by Upstate NY on Sun Mar 15th, 2015 at 02:49:36 PM EST
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"Third, punishment as a form of discouragement is exactly what Greece suffered at the hands of Germany in the war, which is why the arguments are more than relevant in this case."

And this argument isn't valid regarding Italy why?

by IM on Sat Mar 14th, 2015 at 07:51:53 PM EST
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Because Italy is not currently repeating its war crimes.

Also, Italy isn't owed nearly as much as Germany.

Manufacturing a barely acceptable excuse to shaft the German creditors, official and private, and nationalize the assets bought by German oligarchs during the forced privatizations, would go much further toward making the Greek books balanced again than doing the same to Italy.

And Germany has the same number of votes as Italy in those institutions where it matters.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sun Mar 15th, 2015 at 01:44:00 AM EST
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Because Italy is not currently repeating its war crimes.

You are simply nuts.

by IM on Sun Mar 15th, 2015 at 04:57:07 PM EST
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[ET Moderation Technology™]

That's not the way how an argument is held at ET. Also to Jake: keep it civil. Your suggestion that Germany is currently engaged in "war crimes" is incendiary. To all: No more insulting claims which you can't back up.

by Bjinse on Sun Mar 15th, 2015 at 05:10:18 PM EST
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Italy is not the country that wants to punish Greece to discourage the others.

In fact, I would argue that Italy is the country that is being discouraged.

I know Spain is very bad off with 26% unemployed, but Spain's finances are not so bad that it could not instantly rebound with proper policy.

Italy is a very different case. Half my family is Italian, I spent years living in Padova, and I am very worried.

by Upstate NY on Sun Mar 15th, 2015 at 02:51:34 PM EST
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"Italy is not the country that wants to punish Greece to discourage the others."

Italy is almost 18% of ESFS.

And the policy of the ESFS is in the end the policy of all.

by IM on Sun Mar 15th, 2015 at 04:56:19 PM EST
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It is, of course, in the German interest to pretend that this is so.

But whether it actually is so remains to be seen.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sun Mar 15th, 2015 at 05:01:53 PM EST
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Earlier, you were pretty quick to diss around accusations of nationalism,

That was back then when you accused me of trolling, right?

by IM on Sat Mar 14th, 2015 at 12:00:29 PM EST
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