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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Jun 5th, 2015 at 02:54:09 AM EST
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It should also be noted that the prime sponsors of this site are Siemens and Royal Dutch Shell, which Bjinse has neglected to point out.

And Bruce's comments are indeed detailed.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Ana´s Nin

by Crazy Horse on Fri Jun 5th, 2015 at 03:24:53 AM EST
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And that the author is a longtime collaborator with the Breakthrough Institute (further comment), that argues against "environmentalism" and in favour of "making clean energy cheap". Which mostly means arguing against renewables and for gas + nuclear.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Jun 5th, 2015 at 03:37:19 AM EST
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Yeah because the etiquette to report sponsors of websites from which quotes are taken has been around since, wait, never. Grow up, CH.
by Bjinse on Fri Jun 5th, 2015 at 02:58:40 PM EST
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When Royal Anglo-Dutch Shell pays money to a website that is spreading nasty lies about wind power, it does seem like the sort of fact which even the casual reader might consider pertinent.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Fri Jun 5th, 2015 at 03:15:29 PM EST
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These people have the right to propagate their views.

And the readers of this blog have the right to know who backs them.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Jun 5th, 2015 at 03:24:30 PM EST
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Pity to see readers of this blog were kept so abysmally in the dark about that knowledge the previous times the website was quoted at ET and information from 'these people' was rated by you and others as "excellent".

I thought and think Bruce was onto something interesting with his outlines of discriminatory pricing systems. But off-putting response like yours teaches me to not attempt bringing adult conversation here again, I'll just stick to reading the experts from now on.

by Bjinse on Fri Jun 5th, 2015 at 05:54:35 PM EST
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Talk about "off-putting" responses. The strawman about keeping people abysmally in the dark, I'll leave with you.

There's no reason why other writers reporting on other energy aspects on that site can't be considered useful or interesting. As for this article, I addressed it in my first comment. I think that, at base, it's a convoluted attempt to find new arguments against a roll-out of wind power. And I went on to point out the author's links to an anti-renewable think-tank.

If you wished to draw attention to Bruce McF's comments, you might have done so. But you didn't (I did).

So go away and play at being adult, if that's what you really think you must do. Personally, I find your above comment puerile.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Jun 6th, 2015 at 01:31:22 AM EST
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If you're interested in adult conversation, why did you choose to respond to the meta rather than the substative discussions? Adult conversation requires a thicker skin than that.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Sat Jun 6th, 2015 at 06:38:28 AM EST
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I would have - except that I don't see any discussion. There are two plain rejections with little to no substantiated argumentation plus one response labelling it sophistry without arguing against the thesis itself. Oh well.
by Bjinse on Sat Jun 6th, 2015 at 04:28:34 PM EST
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That's because it is sophistry, and there is no thesis underneath to argue against. Pointing that out is a substantive critique.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sun Jun 7th, 2015 at 04:12:44 AM EST
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by Bjinse on Mon Jun 8th, 2015 at 03:23:23 PM EST
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The examples of adult discourse that you give are edifying.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Jun 9th, 2015 at 02:21:56 AM EST
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They're not "experts." They're professional propagandists.

Mentioning you Bjinse was simply a statement of fact, not meant as a personal negative.  You'll also notice I didn't take it any further anywhere else.

The site is part of an concerted effort to break renewables, just as climate-denial is programmed to disrupt effective policy shifts.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Ana´s Nin

by Crazy Horse on Sat Jun 6th, 2015 at 11:31:21 AM EST
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