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Helena Smith, our Athens correspondent, has more details of Tsipras's call to Merkel and Hollande today.

Tsipras apparently told both leaders:

"Democracy is of the highest order in Greece and the referendum will take place regardless of the Euro group decision."

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Greek gov source: Tsipras spoke w Merkel, Hollande, said whatever Eurogroup decision is Greek people will have oxygen nxt wk, will survive!



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by DoDo on Sat Jun 27th, 2015 at 01:18:15 PM EST
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Helena Smith our correspondent writes:

Courtesy of Mega News we are now learning that Tsipras' chat with both leaders was far from cordial. The Greek prime minister, responding to Merkel's protestations that the referendum would ultimately boil down to a choice "between the euro and drachma" is reported to have said:

"No it isn't.

This is the birthplace of democracy. We are a sovereign country and will not be told what question to pose in this referendum. The referendum will take place regardless of whatever the decision the Eurogroup takes."



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One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sat Jun 27th, 2015 at 02:01:29 PM EST
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What does that even mean?

I mean, seriously? What other than GFY is he trying to transport by this remark?

Does he think Merkel doesn't know he ultimately has control over what his government does (that is, unless he loses his majority, which isnt too likely at this stage).

That woman tries to talk sense into him, and he behaves like an unruly teenager.

by DerFriederich on Sat Jun 27th, 2015 at 07:19:34 PM EST
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But
the referendum would ultimately boil down to a choice "between the euro and drachma"
is wrong. How is that "talking sense"?

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jun 27th, 2015 at 07:32:26 PM EST
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Three things happened Friday. 1. Greece had a proposal that converged closely with the Institutions, except for $200m extra cut for military. 2. Institutions had a proposal that walked back increase on hotels from 6% VAT to 23%. 3. The Eurogroup not only ripped up the Greek proposal, but also the Institution's proposal, and then it gave Greece an ultimatum: extend the current MoU for 6 month, but without the requisite funding to see your debt repayments, or your banking solvency, through. Greece immediately recognized the Eurgroup charade as not serious. Why? Because, as Migeru wrote today in his interpretation of Varoufakis's latest press conference (V's point #2) going 6 more months with no funding and a bank recap would have required Greece to apply for the EFSM, which would have ended with Greece ceding all legislation rights (and sovereignty). Clearly, this was a Eurogroup gambit deserving no respect, and since Merkel was following Schauble's ridiculous lead, Tsipras accorded her with the serious that she deserved.
by Upstate NY on Sat Jun 27th, 2015 at 10:53:25 PM EST
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What other than GFY is he trying to transport by this remark?
Is there anything he should be saying to QueenOfEurope other than GFY?

Does he think Merkel doesn't know he ultimately has control over what his government does
She hasn't been acting like it. She's been acting like she has control over what his government does.

Hence the propriety of telling her to go fuck herself.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sun Jun 28th, 2015 at 12:14:03 AM EST
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What does that even mean?

It means Merkel has no right to tell Tsipras that the referendum is about choosing between the Euro and the drachma. He could have added that Merkel and the rest have no rightful means to push Greece out of the Euro.

That woman tries to talk sense into him, and he behaves like an unruly teenager.

This is a typical example of the utter arrogance of anti-Greece conservatives. I am reminded of an incident in Hungary's parliament in late 1990, when Viktor Orbán (then still a liberal) told "The government lied!" and a coservative MP reacted saying, "Such undignified speech doesn't belong into parliament! It belongs to Bucharest!"

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun Jun 28th, 2015 at 05:01:20 AM EST
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