The 2nd Migrant Wave to Germany | 265 comments (265 topical, 0 editorial, 2 hidden)

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"All international trains to western Europe cancelled. Int. Tickets accepted on Inland trains" #keleti #budapest pic.twitter.com/ZbMVXscLL5
— Muschelschloss☕ ️ (@Muschelschloss) septiembre 3, 2015

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Sep 3rd, 2015 at 04:41:21 AM EST
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So does this just shift all the problems to Györ?

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Thu Sep 3rd, 2015 at 04:53:37 AM EST
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No, all international trains stop at Hegyeshalom, and the refugees don't even know about that possibility of changing trains. (There is utter chaos, the refugees first stormed a number of international trains going in all directions, including even one for Serbia, until someone told them that that's where they came from.)

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by DoDo on Thu Sep 3rd, 2015 at 04:58:46 AM EST
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Now the chaos is increasing. A domestic train for border city Sopron was allowed to depart after police removed refugees from only one of the cars. Meanwhile, domestic trains passing through Győr are checked, too.

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by DoDo on Thu Sep 3rd, 2015 at 05:46:07 AM EST
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Here is a picture of the stormed train:

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by DoDo on Thu Sep 3rd, 2015 at 04:55:34 AM EST
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And here is another picture. Oh the irony!

"Europa ohne Grenzen seit 25 Jahren" steht auf dem Zug, den Flüchtlinge gerade im Budapester Bahnhof gestürmt haben. pic.twitter.com/MxMOoqYoC3
— Politische Schönheit (@politicalbeauty) 3. September 2015

by Katrin on Thu Sep 3rd, 2015 at 06:41:56 AM EST
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And the chaos is just getting bigger. The train to Sopron was stopped at Bicske, place of the biggest migrant camp, and police got most of the refugees off the train. But the refugees then refused to be taken to the camp. After a standoff in the underpass, now the refugees are boarding the train, again.

Whatever police, the railway and the government are doing, it is total utter chaos, there is no sign of any central decision-making or foresight. Quite fitting for the Fidesz government, for which exercising power is above all about communication: they hoped to get votes with xenophobia but didn't think there would be need for actual actions and planning. But the ugly thing is: Fidesz voters (not to mention Jobbik voters) will still blame the refugees.

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by DoDo on Thu Sep 3rd, 2015 at 07:42:03 AM EST
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Refugees throw themselves on the train tracks demanding not to be taken to #Hungarian refugee camps - @jamesmatesitv pic.twitter.com/amCNej47nu
— Gissur Simonarson CN (@GissiSim) 3. September 2015

by Katrin on Thu Sep 3rd, 2015 at 07:48:13 AM EST
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This was a single family, and reports of what really happened are confused: apparently, they wanted to leave the station, and some say the husband tried to protect his wife and child when cornered and they feared they will be separated. They were taken away (and separated) like this:

Meanwhile, at Keleti, police again filters passengers boarding the next train, apparently recognising that the fooling of the refugees didn't work.

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by DoDo on Thu Sep 3rd, 2015 at 08:00:44 AM EST
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HVG reports that according to civilian interpreters hired by police, in the morning the policemen had them tell the refugees that the trains are leaving for Germany. If so, the stop at Bicske was the goal of everything that happened earlier today, and it was really a pre-planned trick of the dirtiest kind.

There is a second train full of refugees that left Keleti but didn't arrive in Bicske yet; I wonder what will happen there. (The news of what happened with the first train surely reached them.)

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by DoDo on Thu Sep 3rd, 2015 at 08:13:52 AM EST
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Hah, I'm not up to date any more. Said second train already passed Bicske. On-board the train, police separated the c. 100 refugees and the others, but no one knows what's planned.

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by DoDo on Thu Sep 3rd, 2015 at 08:18:00 AM EST
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You can check trains on the map here. The second refugee train (which is between Tatabánya and Komárom) is #9304, the first on the other hand is not shown, indicating that the railway already terminated its path.

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by DoDo on Thu Sep 3rd, 2015 at 08:24:54 AM EST
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Refugees on the second train looking out from the window, at an anti-immigrant government placard:

(The stock photo girl on the placard says: "We don't want illegal immigrants!" The half-covered slogan further down: "The Hungarian reforms are WORKING!")

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by DoDo on Thu Sep 3rd, 2015 at 09:07:46 AM EST
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The second train was stopped at the last station before Győr, and the refugees were guided to buses which took them to the city for registration.

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by DoDo on Thu Sep 3rd, 2015 at 09:32:25 AM EST
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To be precise: police wanted to take the refugees by bus, but the refugees (who heard what happened to the other train) refused to board. A third group made it to Győr and were detained there.

In Bicske, the stand-off continues on the first train. Police apparently wanted to "wear out" the refugees, who stayed in wagons heating up to desert temperatures without basic provisions. But the refugees now have so little trust in police that they even refuse to accept water from them.

Meanwhile, Orbán claimed that an "ever smaller part" of the refugees arrive from war zones. Actually, the opposite is true: the Kosovo emigration ebbed off, now the overwhelming majority comes from war zones.

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by DoDo on Thu Sep 3rd, 2015 at 01:11:41 PM EST
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As for that family on the track: now there is a video via Sky News which shows that they were already cornered by police when the husband suddenly pulled his wife down to the tracks, so it seems it really was a protest.

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by DoDo on Thu Sep 3rd, 2015 at 08:48:30 AM EST
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ÖBB information simply replaces Budapest by Kelenföld and claims that the Railjet is running normally from there.

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Thu Sep 3rd, 2015 at 04:57:08 AM EST
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Not true. Even the railjets from Vienna are being stopped at the border.

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by DoDo on Thu Sep 3rd, 2015 at 05:04:39 AM EST
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The 2nd Migrant Wave to Germany | 265 comments (265 topical, 0 editorial, 2 hidden)

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