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I fully agree that it is important for groups like DIEM to map out a route to their preferred Nirvana even if it looks unlikely to be practicable, given current political realities.  Less glamorously, it is perhaps also necessary to have a defensive plan to protect what is currently good in the EU from likely assaults by right wing xenophobes and demagogues, even if the best result one can hope for is less ground lost from the current status quo.  

The latter task risks one being painted as a conservative defender of the status quo, as a bastion of the elite, establishment, old order.  It is hardly a recipe for building a new, youth oriented, organisation promoting radical change.  It is perhaps a similar dilemma faced by progressive voters in the US when faced with the choice or Clinton or Sanders.  If both could have defeated Trump, Sanders would have been the better choice.  If neither could have defeated Trump, Sanders would have been the better choice setting the Dem party up for more successful battles in the future.

Now that Clinton has lost, all we are left with is a Dem gerontocracy with almost no young leadership cohort well positioned to take their places.  So yes, by all means let Diem fight to develop a vision and a new generation of leaders for the future, and perhaps leave defending what we have as a task for others.  The problem is that in both the US and EU those "others" are getting progressively older and weaker, and perhaps soon both will pass away into history leading to a new flood tide of fascism to take over the world.  Who new that the lessons of WWII could be forgotten so quickly?

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Wed Dec 7th, 2016 at 12:32:02 PM EST
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PS my Thanx4Trump line was more in the way of a transatlantic jibe than a personal comment! :-)


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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Wed Dec 7th, 2016 at 01:05:37 PM EST
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Don't worry. You will have to try harder before you can offend me and I took it as a jest in any case.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Dec 7th, 2016 at 03:26:34 PM EST
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we are left with is a Dem gerontocracy with almost no young leadership cohort well positioned to take their places
Breaking up gerontocracy would not be a problem for a real leader. It is more questionable whether younger generations will produce any leftish leaders that we would uplift.

If we write the Clintons away, and Obama is too complacent, when was the last time the left had inspiring leaders? The 60s?

by das monde on Wed Dec 7th, 2016 at 01:25:47 PM EST
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Regular reminder that Bernie Sanders, a thousand years old socialist filled stadiums. Inspiring depends on context more than anything.
by generic on Wed Dec 7th, 2016 at 03:15:31 PM EST
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He could well be doing it again, depending on the results of the recounts. Penn is only a few thousand votes away from a mandatory recount if the results are within 0.5%. The results from Mich. are a totally embarrassment and a Federal Judge has ordered a hand count. Local officials in Wayne County are now saying that they can't do a recount because of the tampered ballot boxes and failed voting machines! And in Wis. the total is moving towards Clinton and there are massive problems in key counties. If Arkansas can have a mandatory paper trail for electronic voting machines why can't those three states, plus Florida? I hope. and one might expect, voter fraud to be a criminal offense with mandatory prison time.

Comment is based on reporting by The Palmer Report, which is well rated. Center-Left in this case appears to mean that it actually reports on this story as it happens, as opposed to the MSM, supposedly left of center, which studiously ignores it.


"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Dec 7th, 2016 at 04:10:30 PM EST
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Was he inspiring enough to leave Clinton behind? Sanders only underscores than no one better showed up.
by das monde on Thu Dec 8th, 2016 at 03:22:24 AM EST
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To do better than Sanders we would have needed someone with all of the personal history, charisma and social analysis of Sanders to have inherited the DNC and had a lock on the Mainstream Media. Thanks to Sanders the bar might not be so high the next time.


"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu Dec 8th, 2016 at 03:29:28 PM EST
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