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Part of me agrees with you, but part of me believes that we have not tried enough (see my signature).  Also, after posting that comment, I found quite a lot of radio, TV, and news items in France discussing and arguing the issue, from both points of view, so I was unfair in my statement.

By "here" I mean here on ET. There is no common ground at all on things like equality, human rights, even humanity itself,  the significance of citizenship, political rights, and all that. Things that for leftists should be a no-brainer, but are very controversial here. I have re-read this very unpleasant thread on that topic, and for me this was the thread that changed everything that before I had thought about ET.

So yes, there are debates and acitivities in many places, including some that give me immense hope. Think for instance of the broad refugees welcome movement, which is countering the demonisations of racists and Islamophobes at the root. The discussions are there all right, but not here. There is no common ground.

by Katrin on Sat Apr 9th, 2016 at 12:28:54 PM EST
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This post, for example, in that thread demonstrates the unbridgeable gulf between you and me.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Sat Apr 9th, 2016 at 01:14:01 PM EST
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You link to a post of yours that makes assumptions about my position that are false. I still see the unbridgeable gulf between you and me as one of equality, human rights, even humanity itself,  the significance of citizenship, political rights. In short, one could say it is about democracy itself. You declare Muslims with certain political aims not your political opponents (which would be fine), but public enemies. You presumably accept whites demanding war on Afghanistan etc. as fellow citizens who are political opponents and who must be fought by political activism. Same with whites demanding nuclear power or a ban on abortion, etc.  Salafists are different for you, you declare them a public enemy. Unlike whites they have no right to propose reactionary policies. It is striking that you don't mention colonialism and the refusal of civil rights to them in your post on the "Muslim question" in France.
by Katrin on Sun Apr 10th, 2016 at 07:31:37 AM EST
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Katrin:
You presumably

Well, that's the thing, isn't it. You are very presumptuous. You don't really care what I write, and pay little attention to it. I have become your bogey man : racist, colonialist, probably slave-owning... and all because I don't agree with you about religious privilege.

Unless you actually want to discuss what I write or what I believe... Bye bye

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Sun Apr 10th, 2016 at 09:41:37 AM EST
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I noticed all right that you tell me what my position is without ever using a "presumably" or the like inquiring if you are right or wrong with that. And you of all people call me presumptuous! You say that the "unbridgeable gulf" between our positions is something that I never said, and you still think you have reason to complain about me. Incredible!
by Katrin on Sun Apr 10th, 2016 at 11:12:51 AM EST
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