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To what degree the wearer is doing so voluntarily is sort of beside the point

Huh!? Of course it isn't beside the point. If you want to punish people, it's the whole point.

it's not a matter of preventing people from dressing as they wish, but of recognising a danger signal.

That's sophistry. What does it mean if you identify a "danger signal"? Will you (a) do nothing, or(b) prevent people from dressing as they wish?

the rise of specifically Salafist-prescribed dress codes has occurred simultaneously with the departure of hundreds of young European Muslims to engage in holy war.

First, was there a rise in such dress codes at all, or just a rise in hysteria? Second, from what I know, these dress codes aren't limited to Salafists. Third, Salafists are to terrorists like Orthodox Jews to radical Israeli settlers: the bulk of them are just crazy prayer fanatics, and it needs a potent political organisation to compel a minority to violent action. Do you want to ban Orthodox Jewish clothing and hairdo? Fourth, do you really think that going after women wearing burqas will stop the flow of Daesh recruits? Fifth, is this really anywhere near the biggest problem we have in Europe?

Moslem organisations, who practiced Salafist indoctrination, mostly financed by the Saudis. With tragic consequences : hundreds have gone to the Middle East and been killed

Look, I'd like to see Saudi influence over European Moslem organisations curbed, too, but this is a gross over-simplification and exaggeration. From every story I read, (1) most recruits used to be secular but have gone through a 'born-again' phase, (2) this is strongly connected to alienation which is not the Saudis' fault, (3) on-line propaganda had a big role, (4) the Jihadi recruiters weren't the muftis but fellow worshippers who subverted (not just Salafist) congregations to seek out likely recruits, or friends. You won't defeat al-Qaida and IS recruitment networks by going after Salafists and/or Saudi-financed mosques.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun Apr 17th, 2016 at 03:56:43 PM EST
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There are about a hundred mosques and prayer rooms in the Lyon region, of which fourteen are Salafist. There used to be more (Salafist), but some of them were shut down for hate speech, recruiting for foreign wars, or other infractions of French legislation.

You will no longer hear preachers telling their congregations that it is OK, and perfectly normal, for a Muslim to beat his wife, or inciting to jihad (these elements of Salafist doctrine are well-documented in my region, and still preached in every country where they can legally do so). They have become calmer, even mealy-mouthed, because they know they are now closely watched. And the Salafist holy men, generally not the preachers, now hang around outside the mosques to recruit vulnerable young men.

It was said by someone that I would not wish to shut down an analogous "white" "conservative" activist group. On the contrary, if Salafism were a political party rather than a sect, I'm pretty sure that the Ministry of the Interior would not content itself with closing down a few branch offices where such outrageous things happened. It would be banned, and if necessary, forcibly dissolved.

In other words, they are clearly benefiting from religious privilege.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Wed Apr 20th, 2016 at 02:39:14 AM EST
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