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I'm afraid the world has moved on and most of the old alumni are out there in the real world doing demanding day jobs which prevent them even visiting here, never mind contributing much to our debates.

Where he have failed is in failing to pass on the torch to a new generation who could move the site forward with new ideas and a new energy.

Most of my younger acquaintances and friends are too busy for this stuff just getting on  with their lives, They have become disillusioned with Politics in general and with the EU in particular.

There is nothing to drive them here. No overarching vision or ambition.  In the meantime all we can try to do is keep the torch flickering in the hope that someone else will pick it up before it dies.

He shall not snap off the broken reed
nor the flickering candle snuff out..."


Index of Frank's Diaries

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Wed May 11th, 2016 at 06:22:49 PM EST
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I believe that disillusionment - though that's not quite the right word, perhaps - is at least as important as jobs and kids in causing people to depart.

The system is nuts, run by maniacs who either have no idea what they're doing or don't give a crap, and it's self-reinforcing. The more you look, the more appalling it becomes.

In many cases, we've already written what's to be written, there isn't any interesting analysis to be done of policy or media because it's all self-serving ideological crap and the politics is just depressing.

And now I sound like I'm waiting for it all to burn down.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu May 12th, 2016 at 05:11:12 AM EST
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Like  a forest of dead trees ... a wildfire comes through, burns all the death away, you wait a few years, and viola ... new green growth growing in the ashes (asses ?) of the dead. What a wonderful thought! 😁

They tried to assimilate me. They failed.
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Thu May 12th, 2016 at 06:01:20 AM EST
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It will take a lot more than a few years.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Thu May 12th, 2016 at 06:06:37 AM EST
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I'm looking forward to Trump fucking up royally and a few states deciding they need to go their own way, and California sneaks out the back door to become Rivendell. All we need to do is work together, get rid of the Republicans, let the Greens/Pot Growers  flourish, and off we go with a minimum of military. Let Texas become a new Russia spreading its tentacles through the midwest and southeast. In the words of Loki, those people live to be dominated; with their religion and current repressive state governments they want to be told how to live by their "masters". 😜

They tried to assimilate me. They failed.
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Thu May 12th, 2016 at 06:22:33 AM EST
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What are you going to do with all those rabid Red Staters in the Sierras, the north, the Central and San Joaquin Valleys, the OC...?
by rifek on Thu May 12th, 2016 at 06:57:58 PM EST
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And what are you going to do when Trump cuts off your water supply from the Colorado River?
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Fri May 13th, 2016 at 03:56:41 AM EST
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California is one of the few sane states that isn't totally corrupt; yes New York, I'm talking about you.

Anyway, I wonder what this election cycle would have looked like if California was one of the first primary states, not the last? All the "evangelical" crap ... read "fucking stupid and naive".  

California can take care of itself. Problems come, problems get solved, problems go.

Did you hear? This last year ... California population growth was ZERO. We're waking up to the idea that you don't need constant growth, cancerous growth, to survive and thrive. 😎

They tried to assimilate me. They failed.

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Fri May 13th, 2016 at 08:17:20 AM EST
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Do you have a link for the population growth?

Looking at these numbers from January: http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2016/jan/05/california-population-growth/ and something quite dramatic would have needed to have happened since then.

by fjallstrom on Sat May 14th, 2016 at 04:11:36 AM EST
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No data. Just a blurb from non-FOX news source that California should be "concerned" ... we had zero population growth last year (gasp!) ... oh no. My thought ... about time.

They tried to assimilate me. They failed.
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Sat May 14th, 2016 at 06:35:29 AM EST
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Just read your link ... couldn't make heads or tails of it. What are they trying to say ... did CA population go up, down, or sideways from 1-1-15 to 1-1-16?  😒

They tried to assimilate me. They failed.
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Sat May 14th, 2016 at 06:40:46 AM EST
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500k births, 250k deaths, net migration to California 80k, so 330k increase. July 2014 to July 2015.
by fjallstrom on Sat May 14th, 2016 at 06:52:26 PM EST
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Losing access to Colorado River water would be a disaster for the Coachella Valley, especially agriculture there. But California is already having to make do with less Colorado River water. It would hurt San Diego and Orange County the most.


"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Fri May 13th, 2016 at 09:32:22 AM EST
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What do we "do with" them right now? I've heard similar concerns about the influence of Orange County. If they represented such a powerful force in California, why are Republicans so non-existent here?

They tried to assimilate me. They failed.
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Fri May 13th, 2016 at 08:09:13 AM EST
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They are now irrelevant in state wide elections and referenda. Demographics have changed.
 

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Fri May 13th, 2016 at 09:27:49 AM EST
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That said I would not expect California to secede. Twank will get his dream fulfilled only if the USA dissolves - most likely from foam originating in the Bible Belt.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Fri May 13th, 2016 at 09:34:32 AM EST
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... only if the USA dissolves ...

YES !!

They tried to assimilate me. They failed.

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Fri May 13th, 2016 at 10:11:17 AM EST
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Well if it really is disillusionment rather than real world responsibilities that are keeping people away, then I think it's time we all stopped feeling sorry for ourselves.  Bad and all as the current situation is, it pales into insignificance compared to the situation prior to and during the Cold, First and Second World Wars, and any number of famines and wars before that.

The world as we know it today - for all its faults - wasn't built by good people who tired of the fight and stayed at home mumbling into their beer. Brexit will happen if progressives stay at home and not fight the pro-Brexit disinformation campaigns... The far right are rising  (in small part) because progressives are withdrawing from the fray, their finer sensibilities insulted.

Index of Frank's Diaries

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Thu May 12th, 2016 at 06:08:12 AM EST
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I think it is less disillusionment than fatigue and a perceived lack of anything new to contribute to the situation just now. The problem is the limits to what any of us can do just now.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Fri May 13th, 2016 at 09:41:16 AM EST
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For me it was a realising the limitations of blogging when it comes to public interest in Europe.
The problems are legion, yet with the exception of the refugee crisis they are not new, they're the same ones they were when ET was born. They were impeccably, meticulously analysed here, and solutions proffered.
Then... The Void.
So many drifted off to see if their skills could be put to better employ elsewhere.
It has taken an American election of such potent insanity and worldwide ramifications to make the old club reunite to bounce reflections around with.
ET lost momentum because its job was done, and the same stubborn problems kept growing anyway, because nobody was listening.
The problems didn't change, nor their possible solutions, they just got worse and thus bigger.
People want to feel their thoughts and words aren't wasted in endless repetition. We all knew how we felt and what shapes our politics were, blogging was new and exciting in 2004, 12 years later it's lost its edge to FB and Instagram, even dkos locks the gates instead of crashing them.
There's still something very special here though, hard to describe. Great chunks have fallen off but the fuselage is still airborne, Frank's contributions, always solid and on point, have become de facto editorials that speak for most of us and have the power to pull many out of the woodwork when the event horizon spits up phenomena apocalyptic enough.
The recalcitrant problem of lack of common language in the EU is its biggest bugaboo. ET is still a breath from the future in this regard.
Booman has become more interesting these last few months than it used to be. Nothing like an election to light a fire in Blogistan!

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu May 19th, 2016 at 07:45:08 PM EST
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Interesting. Blogging as a means to solve problems. I never looked at it that way. ET is the only blog I've been a part of ... I remember my first session years ago ... I was baking some fish and fascinated by the idea that I was in direct communication with people in Europe. Problem solving? For me that's doing science and applying the results. My posts at ET were a substitute for my days living in Stockton, CA and spending time at a coffee shop called the Blackwater Cafe, now Blackwater Republic. Decades ago. How time flies.

They tried to assimilate me. They failed.
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Fri May 20th, 2016 at 09:39:55 AM EST
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There's no bigger problem than politics. Nothing, that done well, could slice through so many Gordian knots.

Politics can be scientific in its ability to ameliorate life for the many.

What is now a Dark Art can become a Light one.

Etc.


'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri May 20th, 2016 at 10:04:00 AM EST
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