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I love this take on Trump

Donald Trump will win in a landslide.The mind behind `Dilbert' explains why

as follows:


  1. Trump knows people are basically irrational.

  2. Knowing that people are irrational, Trump aims to appeal on an emotional level.

  3. By running on emotion, facts don't matter.

  4. If facts don't matter, you can't really be "wrong."

  5. With fewer facts in play, it's easier to bend reality.

  6. To bend reality, Trump is a master of identity politics -- and identity is the strongest persuader.

Writes Adams: "Identity is always the strongest level of persuasion. The only way to beat it is with dirty tricks or a stronger identity play. ...

[And] Trump is well on his way to owning the identities of American, Alpha Males, and Women Who Like Alpha Males. Clinton is well on her way to owning the identities of angry women, beta males, immigrants, and disenfranchised minorities.

If this were poker, which hand looks stronger to you for a national election?"



"The future is already here -- it's just not very evenly distributed" William Gibson
by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Thu May 12th, 2016 at 08:35:02 AM EST
account for 30% of the electorate. And so-called angry white women another 10-15%? And so-called beta males, another what, 5-10%, as well as a bit more for the naturalized immigrants. Let's say a total of slightly over half the electorate  - the 54% who disapproved of Romney's "moochers" comment, rounded up a couple points for demographics, being turned off by the Trumpster. Extremely so.

They vote 80-20 against Dilbert's guy. Minimum.

That means the Trumpster needs 90 fucking percent of remainder to win. And the more the identity politics gets played, the more the "moochers and their friends) turn out and turn out aainst Trump. Good luck with that. Politics of resentment works both ways.

Only Dilbert's clueless boss come come up with something like that.

by John Redmond (Ladybeaterz@NolesAD.com) on Thu May 12th, 2016 at 08:52:32 AM EST
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"Alpha males"? Seriously?

<slumps in despair>

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu May 12th, 2016 at 08:53:41 AM EST
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Perhaps a little over half of white males, in their heart of hearts, see themselves as 'alpha males' or they aspire to be and identify with those perceived to be.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu May 12th, 2016 at 11:09:31 AM EST
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themself as a so-called "alpha," as well as fairly prone to the "autocratic" style, I think all this Dilbert alpha/beta stuff is way overblown and a serious simplification.

I don't like Hillary either, but there is no way in hell I would vote for a Trump. I know the plural of anecdote, especially of the personal kind, is bullshit, but seriously, get 90% of them?

Marijuana must be legal where Dilbert lives, that is all I can think of.

by John Redmond (Ladybeaterz@NolesAD.com) on Thu May 12th, 2016 at 11:32:31 AM EST
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Not that I would want to defend something that is not genuine political analysis including careful crunching of the numbers, but when Scott Adams says Alpha male there, I suspect he means those that are also pretty ape-like in their (lack of) thinking.

Which is still not to say that getting 90% of them is likely. But I can see a lot of the "in your face" types of people voting Trump. Chris Cook has a "friend" called Robert Chandler who is a prime example of the attitude I am trying to describe, probably not very successfully.

Quite a lot of people like to divide the world between winners and losers, and quite a lot of them are clearly not winners, but prone to believe the suggestion that the reason why they are not is that they have been cheated by someone or something - this is a cohort that can easily be fooled by someone like Trump.

Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed. Gandhi

by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Thu May 12th, 2016 at 12:09:39 PM EST
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The wannabe-alphas are the same people who will vote for a tax cut for the top 10%, even though they will never make it into the top 50% of taxpayers.
Not even aspirational. Feudal underclass.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Fri May 13th, 2016 at 04:30:32 PM EST
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The Guardian is calling it the post-truth election - because apparently we're all doing post-truth politics now.

It's certainly interesting that integrity, civility, and honesty are considered terminal evidence of political weakness, while narcissism, greed, violent dishonesty, and bigotry are exactly the qualities a lot of people want from a leader.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri May 13th, 2016 at 08:15:08 PM EST
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The more ignorant in-your-face types are all Trump people.  That's his whole schtick.  It's all about demonstrations of dominance.  "I'm tougher than everybody else, and all those minorities who've wronged you?  I'll wreck their shit.  These other candidates are a bunch of pussies who won't."

It's a powerful thing -- humans have a certain attraction to that -- but I don't think it carries much beyond groups of people the GOP already carries.  That's been the GOP pitch forever.  "Mommy Party vs Daddy Party."  "GOP daddies who fuck everything up and then tell reporters What Needs to HappenTM," to borrow Atrios's bit.

That's been the hilarious thing:  Beneath the -- admittedly pretty impressive -- marketing, Trump's no different from a generic GOPer asshole.  He's Chris Christie with lapband surgery.  He's just a better class of asshole.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Sun May 29th, 2016 at 08:36:57 AM EST
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Well, he currently lives in Plesanton, CA, so marijuana should be no problem, plus he has numerous neurological and physical problems for which it might be prescribed - all according to Wiki. And he is a former member of Mensa. :-) Then there is this bit from wiki:

"Logitech CEO Pierluigi Zappacosta invited Adams to impersonate a management consultant, which he did wearing a wig and false mustache, and he tricked Logitech managers into adopting a mission statement that Adams described as "so impossibly complicated that it has no real content whatsoever""

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu May 12th, 2016 at 06:08:59 PM EST
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Because actual "alphas," if we're going to examine it through this prism, aren't impressed by attempts to demonstrate alpha-male traits through bloviating and kicking weaker people around.  They look at it and see that person as a bullying shitweasel in need of an ass-kicking.

Which is exactly what Trump is.  And if somebody tried to give him the ass-kicking he so richly deserves, I've no doubt he'd morph into a "beta" quite quickly.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Sun May 29th, 2016 at 08:41:18 AM EST
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Yeah, they aren't alpha males.  They're wanna-be alpha males who on some level realize they can't get the status they believe themselves entitled to unless discrimination is legalized.
by rifek on Thu May 12th, 2016 at 07:14:55 PM EST
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The proportion of overly submissive white  males might be larger than among other demographics.
by das monde on Thu May 12th, 2016 at 07:34:11 PM EST
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That is probably a cultural variable.


"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu May 12th, 2016 at 09:46:36 PM EST
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If this were poker, which hand looks stronger to you for a national election?

Uh, the second hand would look stronger to anybody who knows anything of US demographics.

Another weirdo geeky libertarian who, judging by the descriptions on women, can't get laid and doesn't know shit from Shanghai but whose got the requisite voices in his head -- fed undoubtedly by PUA forums and assorted nonsense -- telling him that the world is all about male "alphas" and "betas".

His cartoon sucks too.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu May 12th, 2016 at 03:53:28 PM EST
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Scott Adams has a bad case of what I call Heinlein's Syndrome, a common disease among engineers and computer types which presents as the rabid belief that the ability to code in FORTRAN or solve differential equations means knowledge in all fields superior to everyone.
by rifek on Thu May 12th, 2016 at 07:26:34 PM EST
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1971 - Union College; one of my first term courses ... Fortran 4 programming. Is Fortran still relevant after 45 years? My professor ... forget his name ... really sucked. Faced the blackboard, mumbled to himself. Fucking useless. 😝

They tried to assimilate me. They failed.
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Fri May 13th, 2016 at 10:23:41 AM EST
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I remember reading, in a Heinlein sci-fi thing, something like "People who don't know how to use a slide rule shouldn't be allowed to vote.

I thought it sucked shit at the time. I was about eleven.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Fri May 13th, 2016 at 04:32:49 PM EST
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I've run into that remark in at least 3 of his juveniles, or something to that effect.  Fortunately they are asides and easily ignored.  I taught Space Cadet, Citizen of the Galaxy, and Spaceman Jones in upper-intermediate ESL classes in middle school, with good resuts every time.
by Zwackus on Fri May 13th, 2016 at 07:54:32 PM EST
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You do have to admit that learning to use a slide rule is a hell of a lot easier than learning to program in most languages.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Fri May 13th, 2016 at 10:12:54 PM EST
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I wouldn't know. I was just barely young enough that, although I played with elder siblings' slide rules, I never learned to use one properly.
Technology is good. I don't miss fountain pens either.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Sat May 14th, 2016 at 06:40:45 PM EST
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... and I was just barely old enough to learn to program in high school.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Sat May 14th, 2016 at 06:41:49 PM EST
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You'll find that opinion, express or implied, strewn throughout his work.  Fartship Poopers is even worse,  I nice demonstration of there being no meaningful difference between Randian libertarianism and fascism.
by rifek on Mon May 16th, 2016 at 05:57:46 PM EST
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I liked how the movie showed a fascist tale in fascist esthetics and by doing so showed how close it is to standard Hollywood action tales and their esthetics.
by fjallstrom on Tue May 17th, 2016 at 05:57:47 AM EST
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Right, lotta Dunning-Kruger cases out in Silicon Valley.

The "alpha"/"beta" thing seems to be quite prevalent among them as well.  I'd never heard of it until that lunatic shot up the community college in Santa Barbara.  The terms have spread here to the East Coast, but fortunately they're generally used ironically to make fun of the dudebro gym rat crowd.

Only thing I can come up with is that it's a combination of some function of real and imagined slights perpetrated against them by jocks in high school and a chunk of those jock-types winding up as venture capitalists and programmers (the whole "brogrammer" phenomenon people have picked up on in recent years).

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Sun May 29th, 2016 at 08:24:17 AM EST
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