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Hillary's top priority: getting re-elected in 2020.
Hillary's second priority: getting re-elected in 2020.
Hillary's third priority: getting re-elected in 2020.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu May 12th, 2016 at 10:38:47 AM EST
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OK, so does that mean that given the demographics we have all been highlighting, that she has to become progressively more progressive all the time?  She has already had to resile from some of Bill's 1990's policies...

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Thu May 12th, 2016 at 11:08:39 AM EST
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If she wins this year and doesn't have a disaster between now and 2020, she'll have effectively a free pass for the nomination and won't have to budge one jot from her triangulating, neolib self.
by rifek on Thu May 12th, 2016 at 06:21:06 PM EST
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Name me a major-party nominee whose top three priorities wouldn't be those too.

And don't do the St Bernie thing.  He's a politician just as she is, and any politician who says his/her priority isn't re-election is either lying or an idiot.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu May 12th, 2016 at 03:44:12 PM EST
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Bernie is a better politician playing from a much weaker position. His priorities would be:

  1. Bring law to Wall Street and rein in fraud - something he could make a good start on even with opposition from Congress - do everything possible administratively to improve the economy and beginning the process through surrogates, like Stephany Kelton and others of the same school, of changing the popular perception of economics and monetary possibilities while presenting the reasons for his legislative agenda;

  2. Continue and build the campaign that got him elected so as to increase his support in Congress and by the public in the 2018 by election; then use that to push through more of his agenda, most likely much greater infrastructure spending to more quickly transition to renewable energy and stimulate consumption;

  3. Use that momentum to push through the rest of his agenda, while continuing all of the above, win reelection and complete a political transition with a reformulated, DLC free Democratic Party fit for the rest of the 21st Century.

Were he to get the chance.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu May 12th, 2016 at 05:52:22 PM EST
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If Bernie is the Democratic candidate against Trump he is much more likely than Hillary both to win and to bring in a Democratic House. Strong leadership from election eve forward could build momentum to push through legislation that seems inconceivable presently, including some form of single payer or Medicare For All, even if it starts with only those over 50 being able to join. Broad and strong popular support, coupled with fear of being targeted for replacement in 2018 primaries, could result in more legislative accomplishments that we might expect. Bernie has been very good at getting legislation he sponsors adopted and could be a factor in lobbying Congress for his agenda.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu May 12th, 2016 at 05:58:56 PM EST
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Bull. Fucking. Shit.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu May 12th, 2016 at 08:04:13 PM EST
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About to the same degree that an H. Clinton presidency will be - i.e. not even as good as Obama's. And there aren't even straws long enough to reach the surface as it is.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu May 12th, 2016 at 08:33:55 PM EST
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Are you sure that you don't suffer cynicism poisoning? You really think that every non idiot politician at 74 years will have his employment prospects at 80 as his highest priority?
Because that sounds silly to me.
by generic on Fri May 13th, 2016 at 05:57:31 AM EST
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No, I'm quite sure I don't suffer cynicism poisoning.  He'd, in the scenario in which he managed to win the primary and then the general, have such prospects.

Is there an element of "I'm not running for re-election, so I'll do what I want"?  Sure.  But that's not generally the case, and it isn't present here.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Sun May 22nd, 2016 at 11:33:18 AM EST
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He's a politician just as she is, and any politician who says his/her priority isn't re-election is either lying or an idiot.

WOW !!!

So there's a main reason why people don't vote. Top priority ... get yourself reelected or you're an idiot.

That rings a bell. Every place I've worked ... Quaker Oats, Spawn Mate, PCP. The first priority of the people surrounding me WASN'T "do the best job possible", it was "cover your ass at all costs and don't get fired for your obvious incompetence". 😁

So politicians are like most folks and we wonder why the system is so fucked.

Thank you. It all makes sense now.

They tried to assimilate me. They failed.

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Thu May 12th, 2016 at 06:38:59 PM EST
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Another revelation:

So we should all be thankful that every politician isn't constantly roiled in some scandal and if one actually does something positive, it's either a miracle or an accident. Is this what the folks during the decline of the Roman Empire saw? Is this the way it is ... coded into human DNA?

They tried to assimilate me. They failed.

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Thu May 12th, 2016 at 07:04:32 PM EST
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If the notion that a politician's first priority is to get re-elected is controversial, then people are even more delusional than I thought and they deserve that Orange Nazi.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu May 12th, 2016 at 08:06:09 PM EST
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Not all have that priority, as David Axelrod noted during his interview of Jon Stewart. He cited the significant number of House Members who voted for the Affordable Care Act, notwithstanding knowing that it would likely make them lose their next election, but voted for it anyway. This DOES happen. It is called 'rising to the occasion' - more than I recall Obama ever doing.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu May 12th, 2016 at 08:39:31 PM EST
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I would say that there is a sliding scale from issue politicians to career politicians. All politicians care about getting elected - those that campaign in order to change their opponents positions or raise an issue but dont really want to get elected are perhaps called by another term. But the issue politicians has primarily an agenda that getting elected would serve, while career politicians adopt an agenda that will get them elected.

Even though it is a sliding scale, Sanders consistency in his core issues would have me place him far to the "issue politician" side, while Clinton is farther to the "career politician" side. Trump is in these terms a "career politician", while Cruz is more of an "issue politician".

by fjallstrom on Fri May 13th, 2016 at 03:55:33 AM EST
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Y'all think much more highly of Bernie in terms of consistency than I do.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Sun May 22nd, 2016 at 11:35:56 AM EST
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Just as it is advisable to align your intuitive-emotional "fast" thinking with your conscious "slow" intentions, it is perfectly acceptable to rely on shamelessly selfish motivation to deliver notable service. The real questions are: How far does the ultimate aspiration go? How bravely is the commitment followed?
by das monde on Fri May 13th, 2016 at 03:39:16 AM EST
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