The tragedy of Hillary | 47 comments (47 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: The tragedy of Hillary (4.00 / 3)

I think there are a couple of tragedies for Hillary - and how she bounces back from them if she wins will define her presidency.

One small but significant part of Obama's rise, was the underlying feeling that "Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton" just didn't feel good in a democracy. That her rise to prominence comes connected to Bill (and all those years) plus the 2 terms of waiting out the Obama presidency just makes the public jaded about her - and as you note, dealing with the constant attacks and pressure seems to have made her secretive and non-commital.
Obamacare means we all forget Hillarycare. She had a progressive vision for improving life for ordinary people - it was fixing healthcare. She put a huge amount into it and failed. But it did lay the ground for future change. Alas, it seems she internalised the failure and never wants to be so exposed by proposing controversial things.

All of this is compounded by the reality that the President is dependent on Congress - so unless there is a win there, even if she overcame her personal experiences to propose more visionary action, it won't go anywhere....

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Wed Jun 8th, 2016 at 04:27:59 AM EST

Re: The tragedy of Hillary (4.00 / 3)

Alas, it seems she internalised the failure and never wants to be so exposed by proposing controversial things.

In fairness to her, Obamacare is basically the program she proposed during the 2008 primary (minus the public option, which behind closed doors both would tell you was never going to pass due in large part to Lieberman and one or two other more conservative Senate Dems).

I would note, too, that Obama's "No Drama" bit eight years ago grabbed a good number of Dems. Whether they go looking for it or not, the Clintons do attract drama in a way Obama never has.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Wed Jun 8th, 2016 at 10:47:30 AM EST
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All of this is compounded by the reality that the President is dependent on Congress - so unless there is a win there, even if she overcame her personal experiences to propose more visionary action, it won't go anywhere....

So if we want real change, we need someone who will take on Congress ... for that matter, the Judiciary too ... put Congress in it's place ... and get things done. Remember ... the Prez is the branch that controls the guns/bombs/drones.

My choice is the Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin (nee Jughashvili) reincarnation ... TRUMP ... TRUMP ... TRUMP! 😈

They tried to assimilate me. They failed.

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Wed Jun 8th, 2016 at 10:57:18 AM EST
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Metatone:

...she internalised the failure and never wants to be so exposed by proposing controversial things.

This certainly seems to be the case with any progressive domestic policy move, but clearly there is a giant exception when it comes to foreign policy. She just doesn't see objections from the left as having any validity.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Fri Jun 10th, 2016 at 09:41:37 PM EST
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The tragedy of Hillary | 47 comments (47 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)

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