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If Article 50 is not triggered, there is no Brexit, and no need for us to have this discussion.  The whole episode will become little more than an unpleasantness within one member state, to be sorted out within that member state, by whatever means they see fit, in accordance with their constitution. Moreover, a member state whose influence within the EU has nearly always been retrogressive and whose influence may now, thankfully, either be changed, or at least much reduced...

That isn't schadenfreude or EU nationalism, it simply hoping for a better future for all the people of the EU, or at least those who wish to remain part of it.  As for the UK, I wish them all the best too.  I just think they have made a serious mistake...

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Jul 29th, 2016 at 11:36:49 AM EST
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I love people's certainty on these matters.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Jul 29th, 2016 at 11:45:31 AM EST
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I'm being factual. Referenda are advisory in the UK. They do not have the force of law.  A government can ignore the result - although it would probably be slaughtered at the next election.

Theresa May will probably let the process grind on to an unsatisfactory conclusion and then call an election or referendum on the outcome of the negotiations - all the while praising the efforts of her negotiators and blaming EU intransigence.  Yes, this is speculation.  YMMV.  Predicting war is easy, but doesn't make it any less likely.  I appreciate your criticisms, but perhaps you would like, some day, to give a positive view on something.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Jul 29th, 2016 at 11:57:48 AM EST
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Brexit without article 50 is also possible.

So is some sort of face-saving operation for the UK (which would, if it was anti-immigrant, fit nicely into the agenda of a lot of EU leaders).

A positive view? Maybe after we have a nice little war people will be moderately sensible for a generation or two. How's that?

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Jul 29th, 2016 at 12:02:26 PM EST
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So your idea for making a positive contribution here is to praise the moderating effects of war?

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Jul 29th, 2016 at 01:22:23 PM EST
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Once Article 50 is triggered, any referendum will have to be between a bad deal and no deal (i.e., hard Brexit), not between a bad Brexit deal and the EU status quo.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Aug 1st, 2016 at 01:21:42 PM EST
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