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 When focusing on the political and economic aspects of Brexit, it is easy to forget the human drama it represents for many people.

No, it's really not.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Oct 12th, 2017 at 08:40:32 PM EST
You haven't been to leave.eu recently, have you?
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Oct 12th, 2017 at 08:50:37 PM EST
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No.  It's not on my list of must visit sites!

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Thu Oct 12th, 2017 at 09:54:23 PM EST
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Somehow I doubt the human toll Brexit is placing on immigrants in the UK is to the forefront of the minds of either the UK or EU negotiators.  Pawns in a game of chicken, perhaps. Bargaining chips at best. And who knows how they will be treated in a "no-deal" scenario?  The "economically useful" will no doubt be tolerated, provided they don't cause any hassle for their employers. And like illegal/undocumented immigrants everywhere, their bargaining powers on wages and conditions will be severely impacted, which is why employers like them so much...

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Thu Oct 12th, 2017 at 10:25:59 PM EST
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Sadly it's worse than that.

We're heading towards literal fascism.

Some idiots now feel justified in venting their rage at European immigrants as if they're less-than-human undesirables.

Of course we've already seen state violence against the poor and needy, and anti-EU racism is part of the same package.

The EU - quite reasonably - is worried that if this continues anyone who is a little bit different is going to be rounded up - and then who knows what's going to happen.

In fact it's been happening for a while under the radar. The Home Office has been "accidentally" sending out "Get out now" notices to people who have every right to stay.

Worse, the prison at Belmarsh has been a Home Office detention centre for illegals - as defined, rather randomly, by the Home Office - for a long time, and conditions are reported to be nightmarish.

The roots of this are in 9/11, and the Islamophobia it created. By a crafty conflation the real knuckle-draggers believe Islam and Europe are synonymous, and free movement from Europe is a plot to force Sharia Law on innocent white virgin women.

It has all the makings of a perfect storm of fascist insanity - and there are reasons to believe there are elements in the establishment who want this outcome, and are working hard to engineer it.

Most of the population wants nothing to do with it, but every day people who used to believe that friends, neighbours and family members were sane, normal people are discovering they are actually delusional kooks with only the most remote understanding of politics and economics.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Oct 13th, 2017 at 06:11:57 PM EST
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Yes, it is a minority, but it's probably around everywhere. I just get the feeling ther's a little less of it within 50 miles of london. I'm actually surprised how little of it I've seen but I know I live in a little bubble of england where there are few people of non-British origin.

So I risk sounding as ridiculous as Mike Ditka suggesting that cos he's never seen any oppression, there isn't any.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Oct 14th, 2017 at 06:34:02 PM EST
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Undisciplined mass immigration from cultures light years in mores different from our own has repercussions, who knew?
Years of telling us to believe in some national delusion of racial superiority has helped as much as 9-11.
EU economy picks right up after last year's rapid influx, did you notice?
This was never going to work without huge investment in 'integration', which to be fair to Merkel she is making an attempt to undertake.
It doesn't help the French faubourgs with their nightly rituals of car-burnings, or the Asian ghettos in rusted N. English towns, nor the Chinese takeover of Prato, suburb of Firenze where tbey don't even register their births and chase off tax inspectors in mobs as they take over the textile market with 24hr sweatshops. It doesn't help voters in Austria either.
Europe is tired, lazy and spoiled, unregenerate, not to mention obese and mentally ill from unearned -mostly unconscious- privilege.
Reality is not jiving with the Newspeak. We've gone right past cognitive dissonance through the looking glass. Do not pass Go. Do not collect your UBI.
The question is to our Kaleckian social engineers in the wheelhouse is 'Is the inevitable rise of the hard right subsequent to hacky handling of the immigration 'problem' a bug or a feature?'
Bug because too many restless natives bothers the markets, or feature because riots help justify more surveillance and swat teams?
As we chat lightning fast algorithms are calculating micromovements of currency fluctuations and putting and telling, zeros careening around like slot machine payoffs to shell companies within shell companies embedded like Russian dolls, each with their fall guys in case of need to provide plausible deniability to the stooge above them (in the risibly rare chance they have to worry about that anyway). Friends don't tell on friends.
Pitting poor immigrants against poor natives makes for spectacular TV, ratings rise, ads cost more, and there's less time for the precious news cycle to report something positive and interesting like Corbyn's* latest rabble-rouser provoking the smuggest of scorn on the opposite bench.
Or some new solar power breakthrough, whatever.

*Corbyn sitting on a train floor is okay.

They know the public has a fuse and if they keep piling on they know it will blow eventually as what's left of the bubble-enervated, crash-exhausted economy staggers to an ignominious halt, the last pennies siphoned up to the 1%.
But like Neapolitans planting vineyards ever higher up on Vesuvius' slopes, the elite cannot resist the lure of risk and the allure of profit. Not knowing the limits of public patience, their pathology permits no circumspection or prudence, just as any Vegas gambling tables addict.
So they ratchet it up slowly -they hope imperceptibly - always pointing at the big boogeyman under the bed, so we know it's 'forever for our security' and after not too long hardly anyone remembers Piazza di Spagna before the permanent police vans, or your local tube station has a nice young man auditioning for some scyborg action movie protecting you from your own shadow. Funny time of year for a balaclava, wouldn't you say, Edith?
You said you wanted more public services!
How about that uniform then? That schmutter didn't come cheap!
Now go your bars and sports events, nothing to see here, move along please. Keep consuming calmly. Your credit score is slipping.
We've been through the blitz and the troubles, we can cope with a few stroppy Ayrabs. Buy shares in crowd control companies, make capitalism work for you, stop the whining, get a job that doesn't exist or go back to methylated sleep under the bridge.
Now repeat till internalised, all together now, with feeling:

"Bad, bad Corbyn!


'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sun Oct 15th, 2017 at 12:07:15 AM EST
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It's actually hard to imagine the depth of human drama that is already going on.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Oct 13th, 2017 at 08:42:11 PM EST
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"she didn't seem French"
And her French ID didn't prove anything, I suppose...

In the same vein, Sadiq Kahn "doesn't look British" either.

by Bernard on Sat Oct 14th, 2017 at 10:22:34 AM EST
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oh, every day brings a new low in the deportation department. I honestly would never have believed such idiotic self-defeat could be possible in the UK until this Tory govt.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Oct 14th, 2017 at 06:37:02 PM EST
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Translates directly to the US with Brexiteers = Trumpistias and the Trump Administration = May's government. Here the head of state concentrates the crazy and tweets it. But he is alienating congresscritters of his own party. OTOH, May seems to be holding on to her MPs. Both forms of the crazy look likely to go on until 2020 when all will go blind from the crazy. Unless Trump stumbles us into a nuclear war. At least the UK doesn't present that danger.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Oct 15th, 2017 at 06:12:44 AM EST
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