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Declarations of primacy, English-speaking children these days call it "virtue-signalling". So let's play The Best Cradle of Western Civilization.
Democracy in Ancient Iraq
... Although there can be no doubt that the assemblies held at Uruk during the time of Gilgamesh were less advanced than those held in later Greece or Rome, the situation that brought about the convening of Uruk's bicameral assemblies is not dissimilar to the one that ancient Greece faced some 2400 years later. Sumer, like Greece, was made up of a number of independent city-states, each of them vying for power and supremacy over the region and its people. In a reversal of the veto power that the assembly of the arms-bearing men had over the elders in Uruk, the Spartan* elders (a council of twenty-eight men, all over sixty years of age) had the power to overrule any `crooked decree' that was passed by the popular assembly. ...

(*)Note that the origin of "Spartans" in the Peloponnese is contested among professional classicsts. Some say they were not "Greek"-speakers but "Indo-Iranian" speaking colonizers from Eurasia, contemporaneously associated with "Sea People", Hurrian or Hittite cultures and conquests, 2nd millenium BCE.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Mon Oct 30th, 2017 at 08:30:20 PM EST
I'm not entirely sure that anyone can say with authority what the governmental arrangements were in Uruk. I'm not entirely sure anyone can say with any confidence how far back the saga of Gilgamesh lies in pre-history.

But if Uruk was the first town, ie pre-dates Jericho, then we're talking 10,000 years. And there are towns in Turkey that are older than Jericho with sophisticated stone work. So, the events that inspired the Saga of Gilgamesh probably originates from the middle Ice age. Way before Nineveh.


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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Oct 31st, 2017 at 04:34:32 PM EST
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well, yeah. Bernal's phrase for uncertainty of theoretical claims in the business is "reasonable plausibility."

I take your point therefore in defense of volumes of historiography published by "professional" and amateur classicists that deviate in any respect from eurocentric, judeo-christian "interpretations" of The Evidence. Hell, that deadline 8,000 BCE (canon, first "civilization")? It is whimsical, strictly speaking as dating conventions on which all sorts of ancillary research relies have been upset by supposed hi-fi material analyses several times in the last 50 years.  

So too are toponymic conventions :) among the ancients and the interpreters. Cunieform Ugaritic and Hurrian or Linears A and B, don't translate themselves, yo. Elsewhere, oral "tradition" is SOL on the *Matters-Meter.

I promoted this one article, for example, and a couple of pertinent lectures (previously) to illustrate the state of play in sociology of knowledge. Premium added to "greek" democracy is fading.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Tue Oct 31st, 2017 at 05:50:01 PM EST
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One whose delusions are out of fashion.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Thu Nov 2nd, 2017 at 03:35:35 AM EST
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blimey. that's quite a diary. No time to read right now, but will return to it later

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Nov 2nd, 2017 at 08:21:05 AM EST
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It's sad to look at all the commenters there, I'm the last of them

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Nov 2nd, 2017 at 08:25:17 AM EST
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but not the least!

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Thu Nov 2nd, 2017 at 04:53:43 PM EST
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It's entirely possible that the Sea People were remnants of the Minoan civilisation who suffered massive famine after the explosion of the volcano of Thera. It's likely that this was a dispersed civilisation around the coasts and islands of the Aegean and Eastern Mediterranean, all of which would have been disrupted to a greater extent by tsunami in the aftermath of the explosion.

This led to a collapse of the existing "Heroic" Greek civilisations of the middle bronze age. Several of these kingdoms appeared to have died out, Sparta probably being one of them. The later Spartans were supposedly arrivals from the Balkans who took on the mantle of the original but who were apparently unrelated to them.

But whatever the theories, however much there is interesting linkage in the fossil record, we lack anything like real proof.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Oct 31st, 2017 at 04:43:55 PM EST
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Wait a minute. I though they were descended from Abraham. See 1 Maccabees 12:21 for proof.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Tue Oct 31st, 2017 at 05:08:42 PM EST
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Ah, my mistake, who could possibly argue with proof like that

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Oct 31st, 2017 at 05:15:20 PM EST
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yes!
That is one period in play these last 30 years because continuing excavation of artifacts located the several "palace" destructions, Crete, "Syro-Palastine" and Pelopponese PLUS documentary evidence (translations of cunieform various lang that had languished in obscure museum vaults) indicate earlier settler/colonization of those territories by city-states migration and conquest from points SE and NE of the Levant, north and southern Mediterranean coasts and deltas, and even the Balkans, if you will: re ipsa loquitor.

Fossil forensic analysis is redundant; recent (m)DNA sequencing [1, 2] confirmed the obvious inadequacies of stereotyping by "nationality" or naming conventions, now or at any time in the past 10,000 years.

Historical linguists have paid a lot more attention to documents to decipher how, where, when, and why people adopt names for themselves and places in their possession. Corporate M&A ritual in the present day as it always has been -- especially in Greece considering legendary invasions of the inexhaustible "tribes".

"Minoan" material culture scarcely anymore conveys the meaning of originality given to it by european scholarship at peak imperial hegemony and idolatry of the "Heroic Age" of Greece.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Wed Nov 1st, 2017 at 08:39:06 PM EST
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Paleo Politics -- The New Republic
Grain is special, but for a different reason. It is easy to standardize -- to plant in rows or paddies, and store and record in units such as bushels. This makes grain an ideal target for taxation. Unlike underground tubers or legumes, grain grows tall and needs harvesting all at once, so officials can easily estimate annual yields. And unlike fugitive wild foods, grain creates a relatively consistent surplus, allowing a ruling class to skim off peasant laborers' production through a tax regime of manageable complexity. Grain, in Scott's lexicon, is the kind of thing a state can see. On this account, the first cities were not so much a great leap forward for humanity as a new mode of exploitation that enabled the world's first leisured ruling class to live on the sweat of the world's first peasant-serfs. As for writing, that great gateway to history, Scott reports that its earliest uses suggest it was basically a grain-counting technology. Literary culture and shared memory existed in abundance both before and after the first pictographs and alphabets -- consider Homer's epics, the products of a nonliterate Greek "dark age" before the Classical period. Writing contributed a ledger of exploitation.
by das monde on Sat Nov 4th, 2017 at 06:57:13 AM EST
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"translations don't write themselves, yo"

From the `Odyssey,' Book I, Homer, translated by Emily Wilson

< wipes tears >

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sat Nov 4th, 2017 at 06:18:58 PM EST
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By the way, isn't "virtue signaling" a recent term?

'Virtue-signalling' -- the putdown that has passed its sell-by date

As the Boston Globe columnist Mark Peters has pointed out, "virtue-signalling" has existed in isolated pockets since at least 2004, but was popularised (not, as he claims, invented) by James Bartholomew in the Spectator in April 2015. If you've heard the phrase recently, it's most likely being used according to his definition [...]

"Virtue-signalling" is also a neat, pithy phrase, with - and this is the killer, really - a social-sciencey air, as though it's a phenomenon recorded by behavioural economists and factored into nudge-unit projections of how many men pee standing up. (As of January 2016, however, a Google scholar search for the term yields only a handful of citations related to the work of a single religious studies academic.)

by das monde on Sat Nov 4th, 2017 at 06:58:07 AM EST
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When I was feeling particularly saucy @ calculatedrisk, I'd lede some new file thus:

NEW SCRIPT! PLACES, EVERYONE

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sat Nov 4th, 2017 at 06:16:38 PM EST
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It is pithy, but is really a recycled version of 'blowing your own horn', or 'whitening the sepulchre' so nothing new.
I expect the next meme phrase description to get parsed will be 'self-referential'.
Because 'raving egomaniac' is so yesterday.
Or'Fake News' as 'bald-faced lies' aka 'McWhoppers'.

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat Nov 4th, 2017 at 07:51:20 PM EST
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`Virtue Signaling' Isn't the Problem. Not Believing One Another Is.
The real problem, of course, isn't the signaling part: Everyone is signaling all the time, whether it's about social justice or their commitment to Second Amendment rights or their concerns about immigration law. Those who accuse others of virtue signaling seem angry about the supposed virtues themselves -- angry that someone, anyone, appears to care about something they do not. Another Twitter user, defending Donald Trump after the infamous "Access Hollywood" tape, wrote: "Stop virtue signaling. It doesn't work. Are you saying you never talked dirty in a [private] conversation?" The logic here is not that Trump or his actions were morally correct, but that no one else is, either, and anyone who claims otherwise is lying.

Those who cry "virtue signaling," though? At least, they claim, they're honest about it. They are, of course, trying to signal something about their own values: that they are pragmatic, appropriately cynical, in touch with the painful facts of everyday life. Virtue signaling can be a way of staking out a position in an argument -- not just the high ground, but the highest ground. (You may be against racism, but I am more against racism than you.) But calling out virtue signaling is a useful position in itself.

Hillary Clinton was an easy target for this charge, nevertheless.
by das monde on Sun Nov 5th, 2017 at 01:03:50 AM EST
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And, of course, the biggest impediment to understanding the extent of 'democratic' rule and 'popular' influence on government is likely pre-history. Any place inhabited by pre-literate people will be known only if other people wrote about them and if that writing survived. For all we know many to most of the people living inland from the Mediterranean could have had many 'democratic' practices. This is the realm of archeology and anthropology.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Nov 12th, 2017 at 09:01:40 PM EST
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