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Five Italian female professors on why Dutch women are lagging behind
As the antipasti is brought to the table, the women talk in amazement about how so many female professors at Radboud University come from abroad. When it comes to the exact sciences faculties, they make up nearly 100 percent. `I really don't understand it', says Alessandra Cambi, Professor of Cell Biology in the medical faculty. `Dutch childcare infrastructure is so good! You can have kids here without having Granddad and Nan in the neighbourhood, too.' Mariani points out an economic reason: due to poverty and poor social facilities, Italian women have traditionally been accustomed to working. `In the Netherlands, that isn't necessary--the salaries are high enough.' Elena Marchiori, Professor of Machine Learning, nods: `It is precisely in the less economically developed countries that you see many women in science.' Prosperity may act as a ceiling for equal rights. There is a reason these five Italian women feel that part-time work a Dutch phenomenon: `Ask the Dutch girls in secondary school how many hours they plan on working later in life and they'll tell you 28 hours.' That may be why there are more working women here (65 percent in the Netherlands versus 49 percent in Italy), but creating a career this way is certainly harder. Cambi: `Getting a top position by working 3.5 days a week does not happen.' Yet that part-timer principle is deeply embedded in the minds of Dutch women. `When my oldest son went to sign up for university day care, I was told that a maximum of three days per week is standard and good for your child. After that, it is difficult to say that you want four or five days.'
Mariani points out an economic reason: due to poverty and poor social facilities, Italian women have traditionally been accustomed to working. `In the Netherlands, that isn't necessary--the salaries are high enough.' Elena Marchiori, Professor of Machine Learning, nods: `It is precisely in the less economically developed countries that you see many women in science.'
Prosperity may act as a ceiling for equal rights. There is a reason these five Italian women feel that part-time work a Dutch phenomenon: `Ask the Dutch girls in secondary school how many hours they plan on working later in life and they'll tell you 28 hours.'
That may be why there are more working women here (65 percent in the Netherlands versus 49 percent in Italy), but creating a career this way is certainly harder. Cambi: `Getting a top position by working 3.5 days a week does not happen.'
Yet that part-timer principle is deeply embedded in the minds of Dutch women. `When my oldest son went to sign up for university day care, I was told that a maximum of three days per week is standard and good for your child. After that, it is difficult to say that you want four or five days.'
due to poverty and poor social facilities, Italian women have traditionally been accustomed to working.
This statement resonates in their comparisons of differing "work ethic" between Italy and Netherlands yet doesn't quite strike the chord of class dialectic that accompanies, to my ears, stereotype of prosperity and "growth" within the USA.
When I reached a certain age, I became more attuned to the ways in which female accountability to and visibility (empirical and canonical) in the US the labor force is predicated on the vocal aspiration (there is only one :) of affluent females --formally educated or not. One might trust, for example, a ubiquitous assertion that women entered the labor market in the 1970s ... after a relatively long vacation from some sort of 3-year corvée event to support The Allied War Effort. That would be a mistake though.
Countless hundreds of thousands of females here, too, "have traditionally been accustomed to working" in fields, kitchens, laundries, mills (factories), and domestic "engineering". For centuries. For a pittance or none. Therefore my attitude to the fiasco so-called feminist revolution --"leaning into" leisure, consciousness, living wages, sex discrimination, paid leave that never materializes-- violently alternates between irritation and resignation. For whom, Qui bono?, prosperity benefits is a question that has yet to be answered by the will of the people. Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
But feminism is in a state of evolution, indeed feminism has to be about societal and theoretical evolution, else it fails. MeToo and BLM are both coming together to provide a new burst of progress in ideas. But, feminism is like any other form of politics, it's done by those who show up. If you don't like what they do, show them there are other ways keep to the Fen Causeway
Elisabeth Warren alludes to that in her famous presentation "The Coming Collapse of the Middle Class" of March 8, 2007 (Youtube), particularly around 23:20-24:40, 26:40-27:20, 28:04-30:08 time marks.
See also this Guardian article:
How feminism became capitalism's handmaiden - and how to reclaim it
When men were men, women were women, martial rape hadn't been invented and a stick no thicker than your thumb was the key to marital bliss. Good times.
White is over, if you want it. Enjoy!
Coincidence is not causation keep to the Fen Causeway
There were several factors, surely. But rough long-term doubling of the labour force ought to have comparable causal influence as CO2 increase in the atmosphere.
1980. Remind me, what kind of crazy economic ideology took hold around then? With destruction of unions, deregulation, privatisation at firesale price?
Sleep deprived as I am with the recent birth, I cannot seem to find the name just yet. Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed. Gandhi
The wage stagnation trend continued after Reagan and Thatcher regardless ideology... or variably "progressive" leaders. With new wild market rules in force, the doubly inflated labour mass had no power whatsoever.
Birth congrats!
Corbyn may yet attempt to claw things back, but he is not in power yet. Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed. Gandhi
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