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by Bjinse on Mon Aug 14th, 2017 at 06:54:35 PM EST
The Independent | Sadly, it's become clear this week that the Government is making it up as it goes along with Brexit

Why not simply stay in the existing customs union for an interim period rather than try to create a new one? First that would mean staying in the EU longer, since only EU members can be in the EU customs union. Second, for legal reasons, that would preclude the International Trade Secretary, Liam Fox, from being able to negotiate new trade deals with the likes of America and New Zealand - and for some reason giving Fox something to do has also been judged by the Government to be an inviolable imperative stemming from the referendum result.

It is unknown whether the EU will accept the Government's interim customs proposal, but there are good reasons to suspect they will not. And, even if they did, the bigger problem is that a temporary new customs union in 2019 still isn't enough to avoid a cliff-edge for UK firms.

Even if the EU agrees to the transition and the UK and EU successfully recreate a new temporary union, there will still be major trade frictions. Turkey has a customs union with the EU but Turkish imports still have to be checked at the border to ensure compliance with EU standards. There are long queues of lorries at the Turkish-Bulgarian border.



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by Luis de Sousa (luis[dot]de[dot]sousa[at]protonmail[dot]ch) on Wed Aug 16th, 2017 at 07:27:28 AM EST
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What many folk still do not understand about leaving the Customs Union. And why customs checks at the border between NI and Ireland are inevitable.

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by Luis de Sousa (luis[dot]de[dot]sousa[at]protonmail[dot]ch) on Wed Aug 16th, 2017 at 07:30:39 AM EST
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text of Future customs arrangements: a future partnership paper
The UK gov't is still negotiating with itself about how it might transform imminent third-country status into a sexy pig.

Alliance with "The Crown Dependencies and Overseas Territories" (62-63) epitomizes an afterthought, notwithstanding denouement of the POROUS BORDERS OF THE ENCLAVE crisis. Expect UK to pull this trick 3x more.

That is to do nothing, shifting enforcement cost to the EU. Expect the EU to run down the clock.

The "new customs arrangement" merely reiterates current, incumbent UK membership already affirmed by the EU (excepting some flagrant UK resignations from the EP and summit schedule conflicts). The gov't does flog UK win-win IT tech. So there's that. Accordingly, UK gov't needn't acknowledge the purposes of the A50 settlement period (24-mo "interim") established by the Council from Q4 2016: sever and cashier UK capital investment in and obligations to EU governance.

Accordingly, UK gov't doesn't acknowledge the deadline March 2019: For it is at point --with or without an agreed payment schedule-- UK acquires third-country status viz. EU27 interstate trade, with or without kinda, sorta adopting ("mirroring") just one freedom of the EU legal system.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Wed Aug 16th, 2017 at 04:26:10 PM EST
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This time stamp is incorrect. I posted before called a cab (1: 19 PM EST) to take me to a job interview. I read the position papers as I wrote it and before I showered (12:35 - 1:10 PM EST) and dressed, well before then.

That's some kind of coding error, tacking EST to GMT.


Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Thu Aug 17th, 2017 at 12:23:07 AM EST
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It is 8:24 PM EST now.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Thu Aug 17th, 2017 at 12:25:08 AM EST
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Theresa May, Ireland and the EU need to accept that there will have to be a hard Irish border after Brexit | The Independent

Much is made of the easy Norway-Sweden border, but both states are members of the single market but also the Schengen free travel area. Even so, there are controls and checks, and there would be many more if either country had the British phobia about migration.

The reason why the Irish border issue hasn't been sorted out more than a year after the Brexit referendum is that it cannot logically be the same as it is now - frictionless and seamless. When the UK leaves the EU customs union, with or without transition arrangements, some mechanism will be necessary to certify origins, to ensure that goods imported into the UK cannot travel into the European Union, ie Ireland, without some notification of their origin and whether they conform to EU rules and have paid EU duties, and vice versa. Otherwise the EU's common tariff barrier and the rest of the world cannot work. Modern technology and licences granted to trusted companies can help assist this, but the fact remains that some fresh bureaucracy, even if mostly digital in form, will be required, and human beings will be needed to police it.



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by Luis de Sousa (luis[dot]de[dot]sousa[at]protonmail[dot]ch) on Thu Aug 17th, 2017 at 06:58:08 AM EST
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SPD

FDP

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Thu Aug 24th, 2017 at 07:02:17 AM EST
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Independent
The UK wants to continue to influence the writing of parts of EU regulation after Brexit despite leaving the bloc, according to the latest plan by Whitehall officials.

The latest government position paper says that "regulatory cooperation between the UK and the EU on a range of issues will be essential" to avoid damaging Britain's economy and security.

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Thu Aug 24th, 2017 at 01:16:20 PM EST
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I saw this elsewhere and I still can't quite believe somebody seriously suggested it.

I mean.....aaaargh we're all gonna die in a fire and it will be Boris fault cos he did the cladding for the whole of the UK.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Aug 24th, 2017 at 02:14:03 PM EST
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Cruise ships get precedence over households.
Settemilaquattrocento tonnellate d'acqua caricate fra lunedì e martedì nei serbatoi delle navi ormeggiate nel porto di Palermo hanno mandato in cisi il sistema di erogazione dell'acqua in città. Rubinetti a secco in in alcune strade dei quartieri Zisa e Borgo Vecchio e in alcune abitazioni di via Notarbartolo, hanno creato grossi disagi ai residenti per due giorni.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Thu Aug 24th, 2017 at 01:22:41 PM EST
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From the "you can't make this stuff up" section.

Independent | Brexit: Britain says it should still be able to influence EU regulations after leaving EU

The UK wants to continue to influence the writing of parts of EU regulation after Brexit despite leaving the bloc, according to the latest plan by Whitehall officials.

The latest government position paper says that "regulatory cooperation between the UK and the EU on a range of issues will be essential" to avoid damaging Britain's economy and security.



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by Luis de Sousa (luis[dot]de[dot]sousa[at]protonmail[dot]ch) on Thu Aug 24th, 2017 at 03:43:00 PM EST
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the madness is beginning to race away exponentially at this point.

I think if the UK comes out of this as a still functioning national entity I would suggest it's gonna be more luck than any design of the Tory party's. Personally I think a distopian nightmare of warring city states with smoking rubble in between is most likely, at which point we can only pray for a viking invasion.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Aug 24th, 2017 at 03:51:17 PM EST
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This is entirely logical. The UK is fed up being one within 28.  It wants to be treated as an equal partner with the EU27.  After all it used to run an empire on which the sun never set.  The whole premise of the UK approach to the Brexit negotiation is based on this.  The UK government is luxuriating in all the attention it is getting as a result of Brexit. No one ever gave it so much respect when it was only one amongst 28.  Unfortunately it's days in the sun are numbered, and on April 1st. 2019 the sun will set, and even fools will begin to realise it will never rise in quite the same way again.

Index of Frank's Diaries
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Thu Aug 24th, 2017 at 04:20:43 PM EST
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After all it used to run an empire on which the sun never set.

Or, equivalently, an empire on which the sun never rose.

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Thu Aug 24th, 2017 at 07:57:46 PM EST
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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Thu Aug 24th, 2017 at 10:15:03 PM EST
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Is this from some movie about Brexit?
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Fri Aug 25th, 2017 at 09:02:15 AM EST
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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Aug 25th, 2017 at 09:39:28 AM EST
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Dear David Davis,

which part of: "In is in, out is out" are you having difficulties with?

Yours,

Dr Wolfgang Schaüble

by Bernard (bernard) on Thu Aug 24th, 2017 at 06:31:52 PM EST
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there is a party song in the UK called the "hokey cokey", a version of which the Tory party seem to want to do in Europe;-

You put your right leg in
your right leg out
In, out, in, out,
You shake it all about.
You do the Hokey Cokey and you turn around
That's what it's all about...


keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Aug 24th, 2017 at 07:40:49 PM EST
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