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Goodgracious. Landssakes. O my. Heavenstobetsy!
Erdogan tells Turks in Germany to vote against Merkel
Can he be thinking "heritage" trumps rational self-interest?!
The Citizenship Law of 1999, which was officially taken into effect on January 1, 2000, has facilitated the acquisition of German citizenship for people born outside of Germany, making it available to Turkish immigrants after eight years of legal residence in the country. The law's most innovative provision granted dual citizenship to Turkish-origin children born in Germany; however, by age twenty-three German-born Turks can no longer be dual citizens and must decide whether to keep their German citizenship or the citizenship of their parent's country of birth.[64*]

*Not a link to text of BRD (deprecated), or *.de, legislation.

MEANWHILE interested parties lose the plot...
Sixth Circuit Rejects Challenge to Taxes on Foreign Accounts

FATCA requires foreign banks to report all accounts held by U.S. citizens to the IRS or risk being assessed a 30 percent withholding tax. Willful failure to file a foreign bank account report invites a penalty [ASSESSED ON THE FOREIGN BANK] of 50 percent of the value of the account or $100,000, whichever is greater.

< wipes tears >
the Sixth Circuit affirmed Judge Rose's decision Friday, finding that the plaintiffs have no standing to challenge FATCA.

in merica, contrary to legend and commonsensical appearances of a "crime" or "conspiracy" to commit a crime, unless U R a suspect trrst i.e. colored person, alleged intention i.e. pre-crime does has not and never will obtain standing to litigate. Enactment and application of every law is retrospective as it should be; that is plaintiff must have suffered an actual, factual, and material injury, or "loss", before any petition for remedy e.g. capital punishment may be addressed in a court. Rule of Atty #4. Amen.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sat Aug 19th, 2017 at 03:43:14 AM EST
Rule of Atty #1: never offer any information. (5th Amd.)

Book it, Frank.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sat Aug 19th, 2017 at 03:47:40 AM EST
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Also I have mentioned elsewhere, there are only three plots in all history, oral, literary, and "scientific":

BIRTH, DEATH, UNION

obscured by dressings called "narrative".

Pls make a note of it.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sat Aug 19th, 2017 at 04:08:44 AM EST
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"I am calling on all my countrymen in Germany: the Christian Democrats, SDP, the Green Party are all enemies of Turkey. Support those political parties who are not enemies of Turkey," he said in comments after Friday prayers in Istanbul.
The ultimate insult to the FDP - he doesn't even think they are worth mentioning....
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Sat Aug 19th, 2017 at 04:49:10 AM EST
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"Enactment and application of every law is retrospective as it should be; that is plaintiff must have suffered an actual, factual, and material injury, or "loss", before any petition for remedy e.g. capital punishment may be addressed in a court."

So I can only appeal a death sentence after it has been carried out?

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Sat Aug 19th, 2017 at 09:25:23 AM EST
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Maybe in Ireland.  

In the USA,the convicted person doesn't "appeal" the sentence. The convict's complaint addresses the injury (certain death) resulting from defective "due process" at trial e.g. errors in findings of fact (evidence) or findings of law (procedure) that preclude an exculpatory verdict. The remedy sought is a new trial.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sat Aug 19th, 2017 at 12:35:05 PM EST
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We don't have the death penalty in Ireland. Court injunctions can be sought against parties whose current or intended actions could be damaging or prejudicial to a plaintiff to prevent the harm actually occurring.  Appeals to a higher court can be against either or both conviction and sentence on points of fact or law..

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Sat Aug 19th, 2017 at 01:41:07 PM EST
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I was waiting for this < wipes tears > the minute after I posted an axiomatic answer (appeal of verdict) to a specific, hypothetical injury, capital punishment.

First, permit me to rephrase cause of action, an axiom of US law enforcement: Any punishment, either "certain death <b, detention, or economic penalty</b>" ordered by the state is never a crime. To the contrary, sentencing is justice served, man.

The crime is alleged error(s) committed, or admitted, by the state [!] in administering due process (codified by each state and the federal gov't.) for which plaintiff seeks remedy from the state [!] for losses of innocence and liberties ... such as life.

But you've got some M.O., Frank. Some might call it "moving goal post."

So, second, permit me to I commend the constitution of the Republic of Ireland as you will. For a mere five (5) of fifty republics, commonly known as the "united States" prohibit capital punishment. Look upon leader of the "free world"  and "greatest purveyor of violence" with wonder.

I look forward to learning anything about procedures of law enforcement and litigation in Ireland.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sun Aug 20th, 2017 at 01:19:16 PM EST
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a mere nineteen, inc. moratoria, twenty inc. the D.C., potentially zero wherever DoJ joins prosecution of federal law and sentencing.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Sun Aug 20th, 2017 at 01:27:27 PM EST
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I am not a lawyer, and my interest in Justice in Ireland is focused on restorative justice.  So, alas, I am not well equipped to brief you on matters of justice in Ireland more generally. But you may find the linked article of interest.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Sun Aug 20th, 2017 at 03:01:29 PM EST
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Thank you for that information.

I sympathize with you and all people who endeavor and have endeavored with word and deed to alter the course of injustice where found in law --the code of socially acceptable and socially unacceptable behaviors.

This penance 'bout broke my heart: "1. Writing about who was affected by their actions and how, what they have learned from their experience and what they would do differently in a similar situation in future...." Were you to enter a sentencing hearing in any parts of the US criminal court, you'd hear the same pleas. And all too often the same, ruthless response from the penitentiaries.

Redeem Yourself

Histories, tragedies, discretion and mercy, states' budgets, charitable donations, volunteer and paid hours are littered with such experiments to test that common wisdom and common law of justice that harbors nothing but retribution demanded by the "offender's" peers, the society from which he or she emerges. As if they'd no guilt --responsibility for-- the creation, violation, and consequences of the laws which bind them.

Make Me Whole

I commend you for accepting those responsibilities in a manner that repairs the dignity of the convicted and may enjoin the anger of the plaintiffs with reconciliation that this remedy offers them. It ought to be sufficient punishment tied to the inevitable loss of liberty this discipline requires to restore peaceful society. (But here we are, quibbling how much is too much interest added to principal borrowed.)

That is after all the purpose of law, is it not?


Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sun Aug 20th, 2017 at 07:44:11 PM EST
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(This one erupted from my brother. < wipes tears > One for the ages.)

The purpose of law is to facilitate business.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sun Aug 20th, 2017 at 08:00:04 PM EST
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[ASSESSED ON THE FOREIGN BANK]

That's not in the article. And the IRS website contradicts it. You may recall somebody on ET a few years ago described falling afoul of this law (FBAR rather than FATCA, but the penalties are similar) after following advice from a consultant - legal interpretation of "willful" may not be the same as common sense - despite having declared and paid tax on all his income.

retrospective as it should be

Why "should be"? What's wrong with being able to challenge laws for being unconstitutional without being harmed by them, as in Germany? There are arguments both ways. Contrary to what some Americans think, "is done by the US" is not the same "should be"

plaintiff must have suffered an actual, factual, and material injury, or "loss"

Are you implying that the lawyers were so ignorant as not to know that? The debate was specifically about the meaning of "suffered"

A foreign bank's refusal to accept U.S. clients may be related to FATCA's reporting requirements, but it is the bank's decision and that injury cannot be imputed to the U.S. government, the panel ruled.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Sun Aug 20th, 2017 at 01:42:09 PM EST
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Writing, codifying, a law --NEW TO THE WORLD-- which anticipates every event and condition of necessity, interpretation, and contingency its beneficial intent will said to be applicable and "fair" is difficult, you may have noticed.

Unintended Consequences

So there are none in fact. People revise the language of law to address their experience in detecting violation of such rule as was codified and perforce their dissatisfaction with the "letter" that expresses socially acceptable and unacceptable behavior of the day.

Some people revise law more frequently than others. Some revision of statute appears in whole or in part, perfecting or corrupting, the intentions of reformers and of course adversaries.

This process is what I mean in saying the law is retrospective as it should be.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sun Aug 20th, 2017 at 02:18:51 PM EST
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Sixth Circuit Rejects Challenge to Taxes on Foreign Accounts
The taxes, established by the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act in 2010, were called "draconian" by the attorney representing several citizens that sued the federal government in July 2015.

FATCA requires foreign banks to report all accounts held by U.S. citizens to the IRS or risk being assessed a 30 percent withholding tax. Willful failure to file a foreign bank account report invites a penalty of 50 percent of the value of the account or $100,000, whichever is greater.


[my editorial annotation,"Asssessed on foreign bank", removed without prejudice to facilitate reading of following citation.]

FINAL TEXT OF THE BILL, topic of the article, signed into law Mar 2010.

Title III, Sec. 301, subchap. B, sec. 6116

(b)Penalty for nondisclosure
Any person who is required to file a return under subsection (a) with respect to any foreign entity transaction and fails to file such return on or before the date prescribed therefor (or files false or incomplete information with respect to such transaction) shall pay a penalty equal to the greater of--

(1)$10,000, or
(2)50 percent of the gross income derived by such person with respect to aid, assistance or advice which is provided with respect to such transaction before the date the return is filed under subsection (a).

The courtnews.com exposition conflates penalty amounts specified for each class of ... offender. "Any person" engrosses foreign financial institutions (FFIs) as well as US account holders of same. Read further. USC provisions also provide other, specific penalties for a US account holder's failure to disclose his or her assets held by a foreign FFI. Application of the law is discriminatory such that US "persons" enjoy a "tax benefit" by comparison to FFIs. Search "penalty."

The IRS of the USA notes public law in effect, 2016 expiration of HIRE, enrolled 2010, notwithstanding: "The Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act (FATCA), which was passed as part of the HIRE Act, generally requires that foreign financial Institutions and certain other non-financial foreign entities report on the foreign assets held by their U.S. account holders or be subject to withholding on withholdable payments. The HIRE Act also contained legislation requiring U.S. persons to report, depending on the value, their foreign financial accounts and foreign assets."

US Treasury | FACTA Jurisdiction ​Status ​Intergovernmental Agreement (IGA) & Related Agreements, Arrangements, or Correction

50%, 35%, or 30% penalty proportion of US account holder  estimated value assets applies to which class of conspirator to hide taxable income? Bills restoring HIRE (with FACTA provisions) in this session, 2017, have been introduced in US House and Senate.

So. No. I do not rely on old ET diaries for legal advice. Nor do I assume newsfile interprets legislation and its application accurately. But, yes, I had expected ET readers to be most interested in juridical reach of USC in regulating business of foreign "persons" beyond the USA border, IF NOT the test of "standing" by plaintiffs contesting an event which has not occured. My bad.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Mon Aug 21st, 2017 at 02:25:47 PM EST
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