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Jordan Peterson: On the so-called "Jewish Question"

The rightwing parties are certainly not all anti-semitic. Geert Wilders and his PVV are pro-Israel. Even the alt-right has gained support from Binyamin Netanyahu ... all support he can get to push his agenda down the throat of allies.

Christian Zionists Collude with Alt-right Trump

Oops ... not seriously this big a$$hole?

The Genius of Judaism by Bernard-Henri Lévy

I'm done with this topic :)

The following is a full list of signatories:

Ammar Abdulhamid, Dr. Robert Kagan, Elliott Abrams, Lawrence F. Kaplan, Dr. Fouad Ajami, James Kirchick, Michael Allen, Irina Krasovskaya, Dr. Michael Auslin, Dr. William Kristol, Gary Bauer, Bernard-Henri Levy, Paul Berman, Dr. Robert J. Lieber, Max Boot, Senator Joseph I. Lieberman, Ellen Bork, Tod Lindberg, Ambassador L. Paul Bremer, Mary Beth Long, Matthew R. J. Brodsky, Dr. Thomas G. Mahnken, Dr. Eliot A. Cohen, Dr. Michael Makovsky, Senator Norm Coleman, Ann Marlowe, Ambassador William Courtney, Clifford D. May, Seth Cropsey, Dr. Alan Mendoza, James S. Denton, Dr. Joshua Muravchik, Paula A. DeSutter, Andrew Natsios, Dr. Larry Diamond, Governor Tim Pawlenty, Dr. Paula J. Dobriansky, Martin Peretz, Thomas Donnelly, Danielle Pletka, Dr. Michael Doran, Dr. David Pollock, Mark Dubowitz, Arch Puddington, Dr. Colin Dueck, Karl Rove, Dr. Nicholas Eberstadt, Randy Scheunemann, Ambassador Eric S. Edelman, Dan Senor, Douglas J. Feith, Ambassador John Shattuck, Reuel Marc Gerecht, Lee Smith, Abe Greenwald, Henry D. Sokolski, Christopher J. Griffin, James Traub, John P. Hannah, Ambassador Mark D. Wallace, Dr. William Inboden, Michael Weiss, Bruce Pitcairn Jackson, Leon Wieseltier, Ash Jain, Khawla Yusuf, Dr. Kenneth Jensen, Robert Zarate, Allison Johnson, Dr. Radwan Ziadeh, Ambassador Robert G. Joseph.

BHL? Just an ugly neocon with pro-Israel sentiment.

'Sapere aude'

by Oui (Oui) on Thu Oct 4th, 2018 at 09:52:16 PM EST
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ow! I didn't catch that.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Thu Oct 4th, 2018 at 10:52:58 PM EST
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There are plenty of pro-Israel anti-semites. I still think half the reason that the founding of Israel was supported was to get rid of Jews from Europe and the US, the other half was the end-of-times types who want the new Temple or whatever other fucking bullshit so the Jews can be converted or burned alive or whatever other delightful outcome they have in mind for them during the resulting second coming.

I was recently surprised to read how much mainstream British political  sentiment in favour of a Jewish homeland was influenced by end-of-times thinking during the first half of 20th C.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Oct 5th, 2018 at 10:40:38 AM EST
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Such as Balfour being the Prime Minister who passed the antisemitic 1905 Aliens Act.

See also Herzl's Mauscheln (German; only partial English translation I ever found was on a Palestinian site...).

More recently, Israel's deputy foreign minister has revived the German Judenzählung libel, and Netanyahu's son has distributed a very antisemitic anti-Soros cartoon, without his father seeming to be bothered.

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Fri Oct 5th, 2018 at 10:53:04 AM EST
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George W. Bush a friend of Israel and of Iraq War infamy ... a new-born christian! [lower case because his "belief" has no connection with the teachings and life of Jesus Christ]

A Yale student and Skull & Bones fraternity (?). Later in life he sobered up and married a school teacher.

Once after he left the premises of the White House ...

George W Bush's new 'crusade': converting Jews to Christianity

Strategy to win the war against "Al Qaeda" in Iraq ...

Donald Rumsfeld's Crusade-like Messaging in Worldwide Intelligence Updates

'Sapere aude'
by Oui (Oui) on Fri Oct 5th, 2018 at 01:29:33 PM EST
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An interesting story;-
During WW1, early reverses by the Allied forces were linked to a shortage of cordite caused by the lack of a vital ingredient, acetone, which had proved difficult to synthesize. This had become critical by the end of 1915.

CP Scott, then editor of the Guardain, was very aware of this shortage at a time when he met Chaim Weizmann at a garden party (or on a train journey - accounts vary). Weizmann explained that he had recently invented an entirely new process for synthesizing acetone.

This led to an improvement in allied fortunes on the battlefield and Weizmann was asked by the govt what reward he'd like and replied that he would like the British to openly support the Zionist cause. Whatever emnities still existed in Govt circles were over-ridden by gratitude for this vital contribution to the British military.

This eventually led to the Balfour declaration.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Oct 8th, 2018 at 12:34:27 PM EST
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Did the British government back then really function by petty arguments like this? This sounds more like the sort of thing that Boris Johnson would do. Do you have any evidence for this?
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Tue Oct 9th, 2018 at 08:11:39 AM EST
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A rapid review of Internet sources leads me to suggest that this has acquired legend status among Zionists.

The enormous impact Weizmann had made became very helpful for influencing senior administration officials in London. Thanks to his position in the military industry he was close to Winston Churchill, who was the First Lord of the Admiralty, resigned and later appointed at end of the war as Minister of Munitions and David Lloyd George, who was Minister of Munitions and in 1916 was elected prime minister. Weizmann recruited to the Zionist cause Herbert Samuel, the Jewish Home Secretary, who later became the first British High Commissioner of Palestine. In July 1917, Weizmann worded the proposal of the statement, along with Nahum Sokolow, and submitted it to the British government.

Three months later, the government approved a limited and softened version of the proposal, which still contained the promise the Zionist movement longed for - the recognition of the right of Jewish people to establish their national home in the land of Israel.

When asked by UK Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour what he wished to receive in return for his contribution to the war effort, Dr. Weizmann boldly replied, "There is only one thing I want: a national home for my people." Duly impressed, Lord Balfour issued the famous Balfour Declaration of 1917.


But the suggestion that Palestine was his reward was a figment of Lloyd George's imagination. As Weizmann commented:

I almost wish it had been as simple as that, and that I had never known the heartbreak, the drudgery which preceded the Declaration. But history does not deal in Aladdin's lamps.[3]

I used to be afew. I'm still not many.
by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on Tue Oct 9th, 2018 at 09:56:47 AM EST
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A legend has grown up because of what Lloyd George wrote in his autobiography, that the Balfour declaration was a reward for Weizmann's work in biochemistry for the Admiralty.


But the suggestion that Palestine was his reward was a figment of Lloyd George's imagination. As Weizmann commented:

I almost wish it had been as simple as that, and that I had never known the heartbreak, the drudgery which preceded the Declaration. But history does not deal in Aladdin's lamps.

At least it is so if this website can be trusted: http://www.balfourproject.org/427/

Looks serious enough. But when it comes to Israel and Palestine questions there is so much disinformation floating around, hence the disclaimer.

by fjallstrom on Tue Oct 9th, 2018 at 10:08:17 AM EST
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An example of a prominent pro-Israel anti-semite is Jean-Marie Le Pen.

I used to be afew. I'm still not many.
by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on Tue Oct 9th, 2018 at 09:58:48 AM EST
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