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As far as I can tell, even the right wing Labour rebels are preparing to vote against this deal. Even Steven Kinnock, who massively embarrassed himself on TV at the last election and has nothing to lose by defying Corbyn, has stated he will vote against.

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Nov 14th, 2018 at 08:30:18 PM EST
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What incentive is there for any Labour MP to support May's deal? This isn't the Brexit their constituents voted for. Why take the hit for Tory incompetence even if you lack confidence that your own side would have done any better. Some may be intimidated by the prospect of a no deal Brexit, but they have to be convinced that that is the only alternative at this stage. I don't think we are there yet, for most MPs. Even the most deluded ones.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Wed Nov 14th, 2018 at 09:57:52 PM EST
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Generally their motive is to stick it to Corbyn, so voting with the govt against his wishes works for them.

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Nov 15th, 2018 at 09:20:36 AM EST
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Much as they hate Corbyn, the prospect of power beckons...

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Thu Nov 15th, 2018 at 12:30:33 PM EST
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Indeed.

Meanwhile the ERG are calling for a vote of no-confidence in May. Interestingly this suggests that in spite of the chaos, they don't already have the numbers they need.

So the vile Mogg has just tried to sell a change of leadership. Unfortunately for him, a leadership win would change exactly nothing. At least one minister is saying that if the Ultras try to swing it, they will campaign for a People's Vote and an end to Brexit. And some remainers would resign the whip, which would guarantee a no-confidence vote.

It's a stalemate, with a theoretical advantage to Remainers. The Ultras will try it on, but unless they can persuade the army to stage a full-blown military coup, their odds of success are debatable - not zero, but less than 50:50.

Being delusional, the Ultras may not have realised this yet. They're selling the usual stock rhetoric they've been using since before the referendum.

It has its admirers, but a lot of people are finding it very tedious now.

Also, this: Leave Voter Cries and Apologises

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Nov 15th, 2018 at 03:12:33 PM EST
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