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Yes, but all this is mere politics...

Without a majority for the brexit package, we're in uncharted territory, politically, institutionally, diplomatically and, especially, economically. The full train wreck, with no clear way to cut the Gordian knot.

That's where politics needs to give way to statesmanship.

Corbyn wants neither a hard Brexit nor to stay in the EU; so pragmatically, though he would no doubt have done a less worse job than May, he would have ended up with a broadly similar package for the 2 year transition.

If his price for getting it over the line were a general election, would it be worth it, for Labour, and would May accept it?  

Given that the real business is the final bilateral agreement, then if Labour won the ensuing election, that's a pretty good outcome for Corbyn.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Thu Nov 15th, 2018 at 08:53:20 AM EST
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What would be the point of voting for Labour if both May and Corbyn were campaigning on the basis of the same deal? It would be open season for UKIP and Tory Brexiteers to blame all the short comings of the deal on May/Corbyn - and with May having been displaced as Tory leader and already consigned to yesteryear.

Labour would be on their own campaigning for a Tory deal with the Tories having already abandoned it and elected a new leader.

If Labour can pin this deal on the Tories, and the Tories alone, on the other hand, there would be a historic opportunity to cast the Tories into outer darkness for perhaps a generation, with the Lib Dems perhaps even displacing them in the Westminster duopoly.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Thu Nov 15th, 2018 at 12:28:14 PM EST
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Labour could secure Commons majority for compromise Brexit, McDonnell says

John McDonnell, the shadow chancellor, told the Today programme this morning that Labour could secure a Commons majority for a compromise Brexit plan. As the Press Association reports, he said that when the government of the day was unable to command a Commons majority, the constitutional convention was that the opposition should be invited to form an administration. He also suggested Labour could seek support for an alternative agreement with the EU based on a permanent customs union and a "close collaborative relationship" with the single market.

McDonnell told the programme:

   I think we can secure a majority. What is absolutely certain is that the government's proposal won't command a majority in the House of Commons.

    Anyone having seen what happened in the House of Commons yesterday realises that the proposals that the prime minister brought forward will not command a majority and therefore there has to be some discussions. There has to be some movement.

    You saw in the debate yesterday, and certainly some of the discussions that have taken place around the House of Commons, people have looked over the edge of a no-deal Brexit and realised it could be catastrophic for our economy.

    I think our European partners also have looked over the edge of a no-deal Brexit and seen what an impact it could have on their economies.

    So I think what is emerging within the House of Commons now is almost a unity platform to avoid a no deal, and therefore get down to serious discussions about what could construct a deal which would enable us to protect jobs and the economy.

    I think that is beginning to emerge around the permanency of the customs union, the relationship with the single market.


He also rejected claims that it was too late to re-open negotiations with Brussels on the terms of the withdrawal agreement.

"We have met [EU chief negotiator] Michel Barnier and others. If you can create the right atmosphere and relationship, there can be negotiations that are constructive.
I think everyone realises the dangers that there are of a no-deal Brexit, both for the UK but also for Europe itself. I think there is a sense of urgency now about getting on with a proper negotiation."




It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Fri Nov 16th, 2018 at 12:33:17 PM EST
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