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We may not have time for anything to swing back.  Let's not forget that the real backstop here is climate change, and we have a government here in the US Hell-bent on making it happen.
by rifek on Thu Nov 15th, 2018 at 11:12:02 PM EST
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And climate change and resulting unprecedented droughts is one of the causative factors for the northward migration of Africans which is causing such political trauma in Europe. It is not coincidental that Trump is against both climate change remedial action and further migration into the USA.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Thu Nov 15th, 2018 at 11:29:57 PM EST
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How did you arrive at that conclusion?

My understanding is, here in the USA, "drought" is a popular alternative hypothesis for migration of Syrians, Palestinians, and Afghans out of country of origin to Europe.

Let's go with that assumption for the sake of ... satire. From which African countries are migrants --mostly detained in Libya-- fleeing "drought" to enter the EU?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Fri Nov 16th, 2018 at 05:51:24 PM EST
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There is a migrant population of 22 Million non-EU citizens resident in the EU of which c. 2 Million arrived in 2016 from non-EU countries. Approximately 1 million were granted EU citizenship in 2016 a number which has been increasingly slowly every year since 2010. Most of these came from Morocco, Albania, India, Pakistan and Turkey. Approximately one million asylum seekers have moved to Europe from sub Saharan Africa since 2010.

I haven't been able to find a breakdown by country of origin of those fleeing Africa for Europe via Libya. However those fleeing Syria are obvious fleeing war, not drought or other factors. Afghan refugees are hosted mainly in Pakistan and Iran, not Europe. Palestinian migrants are hosted mainly in Jordan 3,240,000, Israel 1,650,000, Syria 630,000, Chile 500,000 (largest Palestinian community outside the Middle East), Lebanon 402,582, Saudi Arabia 280,245, and Egypt 270,245. Israel actively "assists" Palestinian emigration in their efforts to maintain a Jewish majority and an apartheid state in Israel.

Much of this migration is forced by war, deprivation, racism and drought, with drought being the most important factor in sub saharan Africa. Which part of this human tragedy do you find funny?

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Nov 16th, 2018 at 08:40:33 PM EST
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re: "drought being the most important factor "

That's all you've got?

I wouldn't have asked the question if I didn't know the answer. I have been monitoring a variety of public data sources purporting to estimate the number of arrivals to the EU, from country of origin, since the first PR breakdowns (semantics) in administrative preferences: What is "human trafficking"? Who is a "migrant"? Who is a "refugee"? Who is an "adult"? and so forth.

I've seen your source several times before from the CA Cohort of Petty Landlords ... since 2013. I was waiting for it. For that lot, US-CFR authority enhanced their assumption that "drought" was pretext for Assads' dynastic scheme kill his people, populate Europe with Islamic terrorist child assassins, or both, inexplicably. Which was ironic because so few of them trusted climate science, and none were familiar with historical bases for this sudden "drought" alarm --in that particular state but not, say, the verdant plains of Eritrea or Afghanistan.

More amusing is the extent to which some people reach for an explanation other than NATO conflict coupled to economic ruin by "structural adjustment" of every.single.region from which these migrants come. Interrogating Hegel (Nazi or not Nazi?) is just icing on this cake of NEW! origin stories.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Fri Nov 16th, 2018 at 09:33:01 PM EST
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If you have a bone to pick with the "CA Cohort of Petty Landlords" - whoever they are - please take it up with them but don't try to involve me in your arguments. I would be the last person to excuse NATO's role in creating various refugee crises. I don't find their involvement amusing either. As for your questions, please don't bother me with them if you think you already know the answer. I have better things to do with my time than engage with someone more interested in fighting battles that have nothing to do with me. Most of your comment I just find unintelligible and certainly not relevant to anything I have said.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Nov 16th, 2018 at 11:48:56 PM EST
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The CA Cohort of Petty Landlord is a stereotype, Frank, of republican with a keen interest in money marketing and wealth accumulation. For the Petty Landlord the purpose of government is to siphon by taxation and careless expenditures real property and unearned income value to line the purses of equally petty bureaucrats who have been trained in communist propaganda in any case. One might even say, regardless of the Petty Landlord's physical location, gender, religion, or partisan inclination, this person is comforted by security in status quo --in so far as inequality insures profit, guaranteed income, and temperate indoor/outdoor conditions for recreation. It is a parochial worldview.

A conservative observer, the Petty Landlord is quick to detect threats, slow to assimilate opportunities which cannot be validated by prior experience, or plain English, whichever comes first. These instincts and generally thin distribution of the cohort present difficulties for the casual ethnographer who is interested in cataloging its range and customs by any other name.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sat Nov 17th, 2018 at 02:23:58 AM EST
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Thanks for the explanation. We have a landlord class in Ireland as well, who are obsessed with property values, rent seeking, law and order, personal and financial security, and who see themselves as the backbone of the economy and the moral order. Never mind that their "work" and output consists largely of exploiting inequality in order to exacerbate it.

Still not sure what any of this has to do with anything I have written above...

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Sat Nov 17th, 2018 at 09:56:51 AM EST
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