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Is there a small chance this could still survive on tactics alone? The council session is next week and then there will be a vote before Christmas (?). So a few weeks to debate and actually read the deal. Time to cool off after venting frustrations. Also, the 'unpalatable' alternatives (no-deal, no-Brexit) will come into view. Could the maths be overcome because everything else is so bad?

Schengen is toast!
by epochepoque on Fri Nov 16th, 2018 at 12:19:50 AM EST
A lot will depend on how many MPs believe this really is last chance saloon and there is no chance of negotiating another (better) deal. But as time goes on No deal will look the increasingly inevitable alternative and may persuade some to swallow their doubts.  It is also unclear at present how remainers will vote: FOR, as it is the softest Brexit on offer. Or AGAINST, in the hope of precipitating a crisis that will lead to a second referendum. If there is a leadership challenge that will suck the air out of the room for a couple of weeks. It's still all to play for.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Nov 16th, 2018 at 01:13:14 AM EST
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It's quite a spectacle to see the Daily Mail (!) trying to whip the hardline Brexiteers into backing this deal, not just the remainers. Maybe their magic will work?!

For remainers this could seem like soft Brexit. All roads would logically lead to a withdrawal agreement like this. It looks like a min-cut/max-flow problem: the minimum you get is the maximum you could hope for.

But when it comes to the future relationship this essentially blind Brexit with the hope that circumstances/inertia will lead to something soft?! Or that Brexitism has exerted itself just by getting actual legal Brexit and there will no further appetite to keep going like this for a decade after March.

Schengen is toast!

by epochepoque on Fri Nov 16th, 2018 at 08:48:05 AM EST
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The mathematics on this topic is complicated because traditional binary voting systems don't handle multiple choices very well. A ranked vote ("instant runoff") approach could be used to select the least objectionable preference.
by asdf on Fri Nov 16th, 2018 at 03:51:02 PM EST
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