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Except for the fact that it would cause chaos in Britain, it seems to me that the best thing for the EU in the long term would be a no deal BREXIT. That would be the "the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard" (H. L. Mencken) approach.

The resulting British economic and social disaster, and subsequent on-her-knees begging to be let back in even without the Thatcherite rebate exception would probably scare away any discussion of EU separatism for quite a while.

Too bad about the English people, but hey, the Article 50 vote was their clear and final decision, right?

by asdf on Sun Nov 25th, 2018 at 05:11:47 PM EST
Witnessing the UK turning into a failed state is is not the interest of the EU countries: we're all on the same continent, even those of us living on islands.

A no-deal Brexit would be disastrous for many EU countries, starting with Ireland, but not only. Even with the negotiated deal, the EU27 will be weaker overall.

As Tusk and Juncker (and frankly, anyone with an IQ above room temperature) recognized from the start of A50 notification, is that Brexit would be a lose-lose event, and the negotiated deal is mainly damage control.

by Bernard on Sun Nov 25th, 2018 at 05:29:21 PM EST
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Leaving EU would make UK the North Korea of Europe, warns Gordon Brown

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Sun Nov 25th, 2018 at 07:14:19 PM EST
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A shame then, that when he had the opportunity to reverse the inequalities in income and education that were developing in post-thatcher Britain, he made them worse rather than combated them.


keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Nov 25th, 2018 at 08:08:18 PM EST
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But as a good little fascist, er, Tory, he couldn't reverse the course of The Blessed St. Maggotty Blather.
by rifek on Mon Nov 26th, 2018 at 04:39:05 AM EST
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The UK already is a failed state. It just hasn't noticed yet.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sun Nov 25th, 2018 at 08:43:31 PM EST
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The US and UK have at least this in common.
by rifek on Mon Nov 26th, 2018 at 04:35:36 AM EST
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Nah, the US will be fine under President Pelosi.
by asdf on Mon Nov 26th, 2018 at 08:10:51 PM EST
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Ha Ha Ha
by Zwackus on Wed Nov 28th, 2018 at 12:09:09 AM EST
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From an "Ever Closer Union" EU perspective getting rid of the UK is a good thing.  It is absolutely clear the UK will never accept the political goals of the EU.

And, yes, the EU leaders are yakking nicey-nice about wanting the UK to remain.  It's something they sorta/kinda have to do.  I am extremely skeptical they mean it.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Sun Nov 25th, 2018 at 05:32:12 PM EST
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Well it is egg on the EU's face that their brilliant concept baby has just self-amputated a limb, and a major one at that.
Italy is now openly snubbing its nose at Brussels, effectively saying 'Bite me!' to the Big Boyz, (tut-tutting away in their veiled threats, now threatening a fine for infringing the Maastricht deficit parameters.)
As Jake used to say about Greece back in the day 'What are they going to do, send gunships?'
Odious debt is gutting the purpose of Europe.
The relentless algorithms of speculators will gather over Italy and predator logic will pull in the Troika any day now. Italians are being bombarded daily with propaganda messaging how their savings are shrinking and the spread will make all their mortgages cost more, death, doom and despair will crush the 0% growth Italian economy, Kool-aide flowing like the now-regular floods that wash away houses, roads and railway lines.
The UK has been instrumentalising the EU and holding it back, now it's being trolled in return, but not by the EU (whose negotiations have been -seemingly at least- honorable in a mechanical sort of way).
It's being trolled by its own gutter press (since forever) and its Tory party, disintegrating in plain view into a Bullyingden squabble between toffee-nosed twits arguing over political turf as they blithely risk pissing away their country's future for a mess of pottage with the City's name on it. So the Tories trolling themselves then which is what started the damn referendum in the first place.
Meanwhile back at the ranch what's the EU done recently to add lustre to the project?

Given Monsanto a pass to keep selling Glysophate under a new Bayer label?
Made new noises about a Euro-army (running off Google translate?).

I felt a pang watching the telly tonight... never have so few idiots concocted such a clusterfuck that affects so many, to paraphrase Churchill.

In which form could sanity return?

It is interesting that the EU is beating up on Italy while making so maudlin with the UK. Tusk was almost tearing up offering the eternal 'forever and a day' hand of friendship.

But then they kept out of the Eurozone and so never become Frankfurt's bitch like Italy did.
Thanks Prodi!

It's got to be another referendum or a general election. May's deal is a dog's dinner and everyone knows it would be, due diligence was zero and lo and behold here we are.


'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sun Nov 25th, 2018 at 11:35:01 PM EST
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The euro is what is tearing the eurozone apart; it's what went wrong for Greece, it's what's going wrong for Italy. It's not the EU attacking Italy over its debt, it's the ECB. The euro needs to be fixed or it will tear the EU apart.

Brexit is about 52% of the British being selfish, ignorant arseholes

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Nov 26th, 2018 at 09:16:16 AM EST
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Brexit is about 52% of the British being selfish, ignorant arseholes

... which is actually MUCH easier to fix than the euro. It's already down to 46% or so.


It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Mon Nov 26th, 2018 at 10:26:16 AM EST
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