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Frank mentions:

The EU has agreed, in an attempt to avoid a "hard border" within Ireland, that the UK can remain withing the Customs Union for a transitional period until an agreed solution to avoiding such a border has been found.

My emphasis. The backstop retains that relationship indefinitely which can be said to result in BRINO or BINO (Brexit in Name Only). Both parties have stated a desire to avoid a "hard border" in Ireland, a nice form of words with litte useful meaning.

I have two questions, as someone of no political experience,

  1. Does anyone have any idea what that arrangement with the UK as a third country looks like that would not require "a border" unless UK has full CU and SM membership?

  2. In the event of "No Deal", how does the EU avoid Customs and other checks on the Irish Border on March 30th?

The Withdrawal Agreement (if accepted as is) kicks that "can" down the road and into BINO.
by oldremainmer48 on Tue Dec 11th, 2018 at 08:01:10 AM EST
  1. is science fiction, until somebody comes up with a brainy idea for a technological solution
  2. BRINO or the briny, I would say.

A customs border in the Irish Sea is a fine solution, if the UK decides to exit the customs union; the only political obstacle is the handful of DUP votes which gives May her increasingly theoretical Commons majority. It would be immensely beneficial to Northern Ireland, which would be part of both the EU trade zone and whatever sort of trade zone the UK would cobble together; and would probably pick up loads of jobs from companies relocating from Great Britain.

All of this would help to mop up the huge difference of standards of living between the North and South, easing the path to future full union...

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Tue Dec 11th, 2018 at 02:53:50 PM EST
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You may be asking the wrong questions.

The UK acknowledges any territorial border that keeps people out of the UK. UK gov does not recognize any territorial border that prevents, impedes, or impairs the free flow UK goods, services, and money out of the UK. Accordingly, UK gov opposes any customs duty --by the parcel or bloc dues-- demanded by trading 'partners.'

The more apt question may be, How much money --a lunp sum-- can EU negotiators demand from UK gov in order to restore the Four Pillars of 'free trade'?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Tue Dec 11th, 2018 at 03:14:56 PM EST
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I have some thoughts on this, which I have aired here from time to time, but which I have not seen discussed much by more authoritative sources elsewhere. If I get time I may do a diary on it, because it's not something that can be addressed adequately in a short comment.

Index of Frank's Diaries
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Tue Dec 11th, 2018 at 03:24:33 PM EST
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Seems to me the whole need for a backstop is made more evident by the observation that in two years, nobody has been able to come up with a plan to combine Brexit with no Irish border. There's no evidence yet that another year, or two, or three, would change the situation.

If there WERE such a plan, then someone should publish it. Maybe the DUP has it in their back pockets, or BoJo will show it when he is PM.

by asdf on Wed Dec 12th, 2018 at 12:13:23 AM EST
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