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"This simply cannot stand," the one-time moderniser told me. "The Irish really should know their place."

The remarks explained why Conservatives from both sides of the Brexit divide are so troubled by the negotiations. They also explain why Theresa May might find that any concessions from the EU over the Northern Ireland backstop may fall short of the demands of Tory MPs.

And yet these same Tories are in league with the DUP, a sectarian party which commands 28% of the vote in that part of Ireland they control.

But the problem isn't that any concessions the EU might have been prepared to give might not have satisfied Tory MPs, they would most certainly not have satisfied the DUP, a party whose whole existence and identity is build around saying NO.

If I were Varadker at the EU summit, I would have advised the 27 that there are no concessions they could possibly contemplate which would have the slightest chance of satisfying the DUP. Interestingly, EU leaders subsequently criticised May's presentation as being "too vague". It seemed that even she couldn't dream up any specific concessions the EU could give to bring the DUP on board.

So if Tory Grandees are looking for Irish people to scapegoat, they need look no further than their own "allies", the DUP.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Dec 14th, 2018 at 05:01:05 PM EST
From your link ...

Three-option referendum  

Remain 45% : Deal 15% : No-deal 25% : None 17%

Shattering result!
Voters looking for security and take leave of uncertainty or the unknown.

by Oui on Fri Dec 14th, 2018 at 06:12:41 PM EST
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If reflected in an actual referendum where Remain and May's deal were the two options, it would result in a 3:1 victory for remain! In practice, I would expect many Brexiteers to vote for May's deal through gritted teeth, if only to deny Remain such an emphatic victory. But a 2:1 victory for remain wouldn't surprise me.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Dec 14th, 2018 at 06:52:02 PM EST
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There are not three "options" for UK citizens.

"May's Deal" (EU drafted agreement) is LEAVE 29 March + 21 months delay of effect; text does not guarantee third-country ETA for UK.
UK GOV SUPPORTED

"No-Deal" is LEAVE 29 March, third-country immediate effect.
UK GOV SUPPORTED

"Remain" requires REVOKE A.50 acts by UK parliament, with or without popular poll on the question before 29 March, to restore 2017 EU privileges and obligations status quo.
UK GOV REJECTED

All decisions require GFA compliance by UK on points of international treaty law, independent of EU withdrawal agreement conclusion or status of PM in UK gov.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Fri Dec 14th, 2018 at 08:53:44 PM EST
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The EU defending its member states interests. And exhibit #935489 of the Tories having no clue whatsoever of how the EU works (or how the world outside the British shores works, really).
by Bernard on Fri Dec 14th, 2018 at 09:08:28 PM EST
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They don't really understand how the world works within the British shores either.

In Toryland they tell other people what they need to do to make the Tories rich, and they go off and do them.

If other people can't be persuaded with a direct appeal, they can be persuaded with lies, outright scamming, propaganda, and class intimidation - which is more than the oiks are worth, frankly, but needs must.

And that's the Tory party - a criminal organisation which believes the entire world exists for its benefit, a band of thuggish muggers with a veneer of mostly inherited money and class poise. It never occurs to them that they may not get their way, and they're terribly, terribly put out when it happens..

Now that the EU has said "Non" you can hear their heads exploding.

This is not a caricature. This is how the Tory party actually works in the UK. The only good thing about Brexit is that it has pulled off the mask and revealed - to those whose brains haven't pickled by the lies - that the reality is quite breathtakingly self-serving and corrupt.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sun Dec 16th, 2018 at 09:26:29 AM EST
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by Bernard on Fri Dec 14th, 2018 at 09:29:51 PM EST
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BorderIrish is wickedly funny. LolCat Bible funny. Looking forward to the gift of a BorderIrish wiki.

I think, we have either eurogreen or generic to thank for this comedic relief. (Stand up, whoever you are!) The last time I posted from the thread, I caught up with prior weeks' posts, enjoyed the remaining hours of the day drowned in tears.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sat Dec 15th, 2018 at 06:51:53 PM EST
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Not sure whether this qualifies as a wiki, but this site has unfolded the Twitter thread where BorderIrish explains (is that 'Bordersplaining'?) the "Meaningful Vote" in the British Parliament. Priceless.
by Bernard on Sat Dec 15th, 2018 at 08:12:17 PM EST
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master of wiki est'd 2008
lolCat bible translation project

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Sun Dec 16th, 2018 at 04:57:03 PM EST
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I envision a ('bordersplaining', Tory dialect) translation project.

BorderIrish's first electronic book, a 6-page primer, has been well-received by followers. < wipes tears >

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sun Dec 16th, 2018 at 05:01:31 PM EST
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by Oui on Fri Dec 14th, 2018 at 09:50:40 PM EST
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From 'nebulous' to 'kissing': 'Robust' May-Juncker dispute dominates EU summit | Sky News |

This evening, Brexiteers Jacob Rees-Mogg, Nigel Farage and Kate Hoey were among a number of speakers at a Leave Means Leave event held at the QEII Centre in London.

Labour MP Kate Hoey told the audience: "We didn't spend 30 years suffering IRA killings of soldiers and civilians in Northern Ireland to see a united Ireland imposed by a few jumped up EU bureaucrats and a complicit prime minister."

Earlier, the DUP's Sammy Wilson told Sky News: "Nobody likes to see their prime minister being humiliated in the way in which Theresa May has been humiliated.

"It's a reflection on our nation as well as on her as an individual. I think it says a lot for the leaders of the EU, that they feel they can toss her around like some kind of political rag doll."

by Oui on Fri Dec 14th, 2018 at 10:08:30 PM EST
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As Marx wrote, "Hegel remarks somewhere that all Brexit facts and personages appear twice. He forgot to add: the first time as stupid, the second time as even more stupid."

 

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Sat Dec 15th, 2018 at 03:03:56 AM EST
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mysogynists!!!



Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Sat Dec 15th, 2018 at 06:54:08 PM EST
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the DUP's Sammy Wilson told Sky News: "Nobody likes to see their prime minister being humiliated in the way in which Theresa May has been humiliated.

Like having had to go through a full blown leadership contest from within her own party, you mean?

All in all, May has been treated much better by Juncker and Tusk (and Rutte, and Merkel and...) than by her fellow Tories.

by Bernard on Sat Dec 15th, 2018 at 12:58:20 PM EST
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[Links added are mine - Oui]

Brexit will destroy my late grandfather's dream of an open Irish border

At 16, he nearly died from appendicitis on the floor of a smog-blackened terrace on the Isle of Dogs. He'd come to the shipyards of England to work as a welder - having been unable to ply his trade on the loyalist docklands of Belfast's Harland & Wolff - only to be met by the braying of Cockney foremen who told him, Sorry Paddy. No Blacks, No Dogs, No Irish. He spent the next 15 years going back and forth between England and home, often experiencing horrendous abuse at the hands of his English foremen and the sectarian "B-Specials" police force.

In 1911 the Titanic was launched from the Harland and Wolff shipyard

So Brexit is the 21st century Titanic for Northern Ireland, how ironic! No need to explain the iceberg, 90% underneath the surface PM May is facing. :(

by Oui on Sat Dec 15th, 2018 at 08:34:43 AM EST
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